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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1290 on: December 04, 2024, 09:47:56 AM »
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Great scene and train. 

Not a criticism in any way, but when are we going to add the cacophony of the trailing train to the soundscape?  The squeal of flanges and all the crazy noises of the freight cars drown out the passage of the locomotives.  In videos this is probably more of an issue than standing there watching the train.

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1291 on: December 04, 2024, 10:01:44 AM »
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Great scene and train. 

Not a criticism in any way, but when are we going to add the cacophony of the trailing train to the soundscape?  The squeal of flanges and all the crazy noises of the freight cars drown out the passage of the locomotives.  In videos this is probably more of an issue than standing there watching the train.

And this is where on-board sound falls short.  For video, it helps to have a little post-production...and some prototype sound.

The BL2 noises are from the actual BL2 running between Belington and Elkins, WV, and roll by sound is from a video of a coal drag rolling through Phillipi.

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1292 on: December 04, 2024, 10:43:55 AM »
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And this is where on-board sound falls short.  For video, it helps to have a little post-production...and some prototype sound.

The BL2 noises are from the actual BL2 running between Belington and Elkins, WV, and roll by sound is from a video of a coal drag rolling through Phillipi.

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Great stuff.  I did something similar with my past layout.  River background overlaid with locomotives passing through tunnels.  All sound files found online and edited into the video with free software.


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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1293 on: December 04, 2024, 11:05:43 AM »
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I can't remember how many passes this took, and yes, I had to circumnavigate the entire layout through both staging yards several times to get the various shots.  But it's sort of my standard for making a roll by video.  Your musical accompaniment may vary.
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I can only imagine the number of passes and shots that occurred for you to create “Switcher Madness.”  I can, however, imagine the musical accompaniment, though, as that tune is now playing in my head. 🤣

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1294 on: December 04, 2024, 12:08:53 PM »
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Nice train and video, the crew in that cabin must've spilled some coffee though!  Really like that weathered ex-EL hopper.
Flange squeal accessory would be a cool addition!
 

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1295 on: December 04, 2024, 12:11:45 PM »
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Nice train and video, the crew in that cabin must've spilled some coffee though!  Really like that weathered ex-EL hopper.
Flange squeal accessory would be a cool addition!
 

Haha, that EL hopper is all thanks to the boffins at Micro-Trains. Absolutely gorgeous car. Here's the prototype: https://conrailphotos.thecrhs.org/photos/cr-886119-class-ce16a

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1296 on: December 04, 2024, 12:13:14 PM »
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Not a criticism in any way, but when are we going to add the cacophony of the trailing train to the soundscape?  The squeal of flanges and all the crazy noises of the freight cars drown out the passage of the locomotives.  In videos this is probably more of an issue than standing there watching the train.

I thought about that. I actually have an ISE Squealer that I should probably install in this scene.

Many years ago I actually did some dubbing that I think worked out quite well.


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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1297 on: December 04, 2024, 12:51:08 PM »
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Cool, the Squealer is a good solution. 

When I get around to it, there are great multi-channel sound boards (c. $80) that could be easily interfaced to sensors and provide a realistic sequence of sound files for the passage of a train.  I can envision a background atmospheric, the locomotives passing and fading (with Doppler) and frieght car noises.  I recorded a bunch of this when I did my field trip to the prototype, just need to get my act together and make it happen.

But I think the effect is best preserved for videos where you can edit and control the sounds to suit your needs.  Just another step our efforts to raise the realism!

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1298 on: December 04, 2024, 12:55:52 PM »
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As long as we're nit-picking sounds here... :trollface:

In the opening where the power can be heard throttling-up, two "missing" notes jump out at me. First, SD45 V20's were notorious for setting up a "booming" bass under load. Even a mild loading would evoke "the glorious noise" as my railfan buds would call it. Second, the U-boat would also have that distinctive GE chuff on throttle-up. Not a lot, but it would be audible especially over the whine. You may or may not (considering the generation gap here) have had the opportunity to be trackside before noise suppression became "vogue". Attention to exhaust noise, IIRC, started with Amtrak's SDP40Fs, and the engineering was carried forward into the Dash-2s. We called the then-new Amtrak units "slushboxes" for their lack of satisfying audio.

Then one suggestion - take it or leave it - that would complete the scene in my eyes: background growth ever-so-slightly moving in a breeze. Not a lot, but not static, either.

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1299 on: December 04, 2024, 02:49:40 PM »
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V20's were notorious for setting up a "booming" bass under load. Even a mild loading would evoke "the glorious noise" as my railfan buds would call it.
My first "real" railfan day in 1979, I was hanging around the helpers at PITT Tower (Pittsburgh Union Sta) where an SD45 paired with an SDP45 was for some reason not loading.  The helper crew/Mechanical Dept guys working on it were notching them up to 8 for extended periods.. I was amazed, astounded, and overwhelmed by the roar.  Talk about setting the hook in a young railfan's mind. 

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1300 on: December 04, 2024, 03:51:25 PM »
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As long as we're nit-picking sounds here... :trollface:

In the opening where the power can be heard throttling-up, two "missing" notes jump out at me. First, SD45 V20's were notorious for setting up a "booming" bass under load. Even a mild loading would evoke "the glorious noise" as my railfan buds would call it. Second, the U-boat would also have that distinctive GE chuff on throttle-up. Not a lot, but it would be audible especially over the whine. You may or may not (considering the generation gap here) have had the opportunity to be trackside before noise suppression became "vogue". Attention to exhaust noise, IIRC, started with Amtrak's SDP40Fs, and the engineering was carried forward into the Dash-2s. We called the then-new Amtrak units "slushboxes" for their lack of satisfying audio.

Then one suggestion - take it or leave it - that would complete the scene in my eyes: background growth ever-so-slightly moving in a breeze. Not a lot, but not static, either.



Hahhahah. Bass, from an N scale engine? Who am I, Broadway Limited? lol. That's the ONE good thing from their stupid Paragon decoders. Maybe I could rig up a Virtual Sound Decoder to go along with these. Hmm...
https://conrail1285.com/getting-started-with-jmri-virtual-sound-decoders/

I haven't installed a sound decoder in the U30C yet. I had thought about temporarily remapping the one in the SD40-2 to a GE FDL sound so that I would at least have both styles represented, but I decided that was more trouble than it was worth for this one clip.

And trees blowing in the breeze, jeez man, I must be getting something right if THAT's the nit to pick! lol.
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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1301 on: December 04, 2024, 03:52:11 PM »
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My first "real" railfan day in 1979, I was hanging around the helpers at PITT Tower (Pittsburgh Union Sta) where an SD45 paired with an SDP45 was for some reason not loading.  The helper crew/Mechanical Dept guys working on it were notching them up to 8 for extended periods.. I was amazed, astounded, and overwhelmed by the roar.  Talk about setting the hook in a young railfan's mind. 


I believe it. Damn, am I sad the glorious SD40-2 is the closest I've come to that.

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1302 on: December 04, 2024, 03:55:57 PM »
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Cool, the Squealer is a good solution. 

When I get around to it, there are great multi-channel sound boards (c. $80) that could be easily interfaced to sensors and provide a realistic sequence of sound files for the passage of a train.  I can envision a background atmospheric, the locomotives passing and fading (with Doppler) and frieght car noises.  I recorded a bunch of this when I did my field trip to the prototype, just need to get my act together and make it happen.

But I think the effect is best preserved for videos where you can edit and control the sounds to suit your needs.  Just another step our efforts to raise the realism!

I think this is basically what the Squealer is. The funny thing is that there are a bunch of places on the layout where I could put one. Like I said, the NCR was engineered in the 1820s well before six axle power and 100 ton freight cars were even a gleam in anyone's eye. That's one of the reasons why the Port Road generally replaced it after the 1930s, but damn, is it a pretty railroad.

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1303 on: December 04, 2024, 06:00:44 PM »
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... And trees blowing in the breeze, jeez man, I must be getting something right if THAT's the nit to pick! lol.

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Re: The New Northern Central
« Reply #1304 on: December 10, 2024, 11:57:45 AM »
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