Broadway Limited T1

[Point353]

I suppose we can forgive the front grill, it would be hidden by the leading K4 helper, as it runs around the Horseshoe curve loop layout..    Cause that's what all PRR modelers do right?

How could a leading K4 helper be hiding the "grill" when it's back in the dining car - or did you mean grille?

Besides, did a T1 need a helper around Horseshoe curve?

[Cajonpassfan]

A few years back at one of the shows, I had an interesting (and not unpleasant) conversation with Ken on the topic of future BLI steam in N scale. He upshot was that BLI is a believer in sound, and that their choice of steam locomotives is in large part constrained by the size of the (then current) decoders; hence the M1 and T1 with their long distance tenders. (Of course, I tried to tell him an ATSF 2900 class, with its 52' tender would be a fine candidate, but that's another conversation. Frankly, why Bachman doesn't do that one, on par with their more recent steam, is beyond me).

Fast forward to today. Looking at Spookshow's photos of the new T1, the Paragon3 decoder board looks substantially smaller/shorter than their previous iterations. If true, that could open up some other possibilities? One can hope...
Otto K.

[peteski]

ANy ideas on how to put that screen on the front that BLU didn't model?

As I see it, the only way to create a quality grille would be to custom photoetch an insert from brass.  The etching would include whatever is in the center. Anything else will look like a kludge.

Speaking of the center thing, I asked bu nobody answered yet - what is that thing?  Auxiliary headlight? Steam exhaust?  Air intake?

[Point353]

Speaking of the center thing, I asked bu nobody answered yet - what is that thing?  Auxiliary headlight?

It's an auxiliary headlight.

[peteski]

It's an auxiliary headlight.

Thanks! If that is the case,  I'm surprised that BLI didn't illuminate it.

[eric220]

How could a leading K4 helper be hiding the "grill" when it's back in the dining car - or did you mean grille?

Besides, did a T1 need a helper around Horseshoe curve?

Ahhh, now that is a damn sexy engine! The T1 the way it was supposed to look!



Also, to the point about needing a helper, they were designed to be able to handle a train over the Alleghenies by themselves. That said, it certainly did happen that a train was too heavy for one, as evidenced by @dougnelson ‘s video featuring a shot of double-headed T1’s.

[skm]

Can someone point out the difference between the modelled version and the one in this pic?


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[peteski]

Can someone point out the difference between the modelled version and the one in this pic?


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Ah, thanks!  Welcome to the clan of the few, the proud, the TRW's quoted photos shrinkers!   

The BLW site had some info about this but they seem to have removed that info.  As I understand the one in that photo above was the early version and the one modeled is a later version from the '50s.  But I'm sure some PRR expert will have more detailed explanation.

[jdcolombo]

A few years back at one of the shows, I had an interesting (and not unpleasant) conversation with Ken on the topic of future BLI steam in N scale. He upshot was that BLI is a believer in sound, and that their choice of steam locomotives is in large part constrained by the size of the (then current) decoders; hence the M1 and T1 with their long distance tenders. (Of course, I tried to tell him an ATSF 2900 class, with its 52' tender would be a fine candidate, but that's another conversation. Frankly, why Bachman doesn't do that one, on par with their more recent steam, is beyond me).

Fast forward to today. Looking at Spookshow's photos of the new T1, the Paragon3 decoder board looks substantially smaller/shorter than their previous iterations. If true, that could open up some other possibilities? One can hope...
Otto K.

They could always use an ESU LokSound Select Micro . . . that one will fit in the tender of an 0-8-0, a 2-8-0, a Mike, etc.   

John C.

[Cajonpassfan]

They could always use an ESU LokSound Select Micro . . . that one will fit in the tender of an 0-8-0, a 2-8-0, a Mike, etc.   

John C.

Yea, good luck with that John...
Not that I disagree.
Otto

[jdcolombo]

Can someone point out the difference between the modelled version and the one in this pic?


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The 6111 was one of the two prototypes (6110 was the other) that the Pennsy built to evaluate the T1 design.  The initial design was done by Raymond Loewy, but the nose on the production versions was modified slightly.  The BLI and Key versions are both based on the production T1's, and hence are a bit different from the 6111 prototype in the photo.

The T1's didn't last all that long.  They were built between 1944-46, and all of them were out of service by 1952.  They were taken off Pennsy's highest-end passenger trains as early as 1948, after Pennsy's board made the decision to dieselize those trains.  So while they are certainly legendary (with credible reports of them regularly exceeding 100 mph in service), they weren't the longest-lived locomotives.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Railroad_class_T1

I'm trying to resist buying one.  Maybe they will be sold out by the time my willpower vanishes 

John C.

[eric220]

Can someone point out the difference between the modelled version and the one in this pic?

The 6111 was one of the two prototypes (6110 was the other) that the Pennsy built to evaluate the T1 design.  The initial design was done by Raymond Loewy, but the nose on the production versions was modified slightly.  The BLI and Key versions are both based on the production T1's, and hence are a bit different from the 6111 prototype in the photo.

Precisely.  In addition to the production nose being a slightly less drastic angle, the skirting was modified.  6110 and 6111 had full length skirts resulting in a clean line, with pinstripe added for emphasis, from just behind the pilot all the way down the tender.  The production version "as delivered" had partial skirting that came up higher at the drivers and then back down at the cab.  The BLI model is the "late" version, where all the skirts had been removed.  The T1's were maintenance heavy locomotives, and the shop crews got tired of taking the skirts off and putting them back on every time they came in.

The paint scheme is also different.  As I mentioned, on 6110 and 6111, there is a heavy pinstripe that runs along the bottom of the skirt all the way to the back of the tender.  There are three smaller pinstripes below on the tender and cab, as well as a large keystone inside a pinstripe circle, and "Pennsylvania" ahead of the keystone.  The "as delivered" scheme centered "Pennsylvania" on the tender and switched to a small keystone centered above, as modeled by BLI.

Compare:

And @peteski, I apologize for nothing.  That is a sexy, sexy machine that deserves every pixel! 

[eja]

Just asking....

Are the BLI models as prone to wheel slip as the real T1's were ?

[Jbub]

Just asking....

Are the BLI models as prone to wheel slip as the real T1's were ?

As cool as it would be to have a dual motor dual engine drive to have one engine slip and the other not, this has a conventional drive system with one axle having traction tires.

[peteski]

And @peteski, I apologize for nothing.  That is a sexy, sexy machine that deserves every pixel! 

I know you're just giving me a ribbin', and I don't mind it (or that you quoted multiple full-size photos).  Beautiful! The point is that when multiple people quote a post with a dozen large photos in it, just to reply with a brief "nice job" (usually in the Weekend Update thread), that gets annoying really fast.  Scrolling through long strings of repeating quoted photos is not really what I come here for.  It would be nice if common sense was used when people reply to such threads.