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[coosvalley]

At first, he wasnt too chatty while i was asking about upcoming steamers until i pulled out a couple of my models that ive built. once he knew i was an actual "modeler", we talked about the state of the hobby, what the next n-scale steamer most likely be, and other stuff.

So, first you had to convince him you were a modeler, at an NMRA event?

I think you were trying to convey to us he was a good representative for BLI, but that isn't how that sounds!

[Mark5]

At first glance, looking good.
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[draskouasshat]

So, first you had to convince him you were a modeler, at an NMRA event?

I think you were trying to convey to us he was a good representative for BLI, but that isn't how that sounds!

It was actually during the public show. I have not nor will ever be a part of the nmra.
Do you not realize how many people that are in the hobby that just buy crap? Im being completely honest but I see it more and more here on TRW. Way too many people witching and complaining with a decal in the wrong spot or something isn't specifically correct on a mass produced model that was only different on the railroad they like(notice how I didn't say model).
Ken was even telling me about some of the complaints he sees, one being an ho CB&Q E8 that somebody didn't like because it didn't have the black lines on the pilot. same loco, same paint scheme, just not late enough for the stripes. this is something easily added with decals.
Yes he did like actually talking to someone that built models and tried to replicate the prototype as that relates to manufacturers actually doing research to reproduce a model of the prototype.
Its sad to see it but our hobby is moving more towards buying and away from real modeling.

Drasko

[daniel_leavitt2000]

On a tangent... do any of the paint schemes/numbers match their prototype? I know the CR one uses the wrong nose/pilot/radiators.

[wes_sutton]

It was actually during the public show. I have not nor will ever be a part of the nmra.
Do you not realize how many people that are in the hobby that just buy crap? Im being completely honest but I see it more and more here on TRW. Way too many people witching and complaining with a decal in the wrong spot or something isn't specifically correct on a mass produced model that was only different on the railroad they like(notice how I didn't say model).
Ken was even telling me about some of the complaints he sees, one being an ho CB&Q E8 that somebody didn't like because it didn't have the black lines on the pilot. same loco, same paint scheme, just not late enough for the stripes. this is something easily added with decals.
Yes he did like actually talking to someone that built models and tried to replicate the prototype as that relates to manufacturers actually doing research to reproduce a model of the prototype.
Its sad to see it but our hobby is moving more towards buying and away from real modeling.

Drasko

What elitist twaddle

The impression I get from TRW is that the majority of the complaints about model quality and detail come from the rivet countering 'modellers'.

Most of the people like me who 'just buy crap' are simply happy to run their trains and enjoy the hobby.

If it wasn't for those of us that 'just buy crap' and enjoy the RTR experience, there wouldn't be a BLI, or any other manufacturer for that matter.

[draskouasshat]

What elitist twaddle

The impression I get from TRW is that the majority of the complaints about model quality and detail come from the rivet countering 'modellers'.

Most of the people like me who 'just buy crap' are simply happy to run their trains and enjoy the hobby.

If it wasn't for those of us that 'just buy crap' and enjoy the RTR experience, there wouldn't be a BLI, or any other manufacturer for that matter.

It's far from elitist twaddle home slice. It's the truth and sometimes it hurts. If it weren't for rivet counters requesting more detail, we would all still be running lonestar trains.
BUT, this is model railroading, and sometimes it's fun to try and make changes to make things more accurate instead of complaining that it's just not right. That's the point im trying to make here.
Im sure manufacturers get tired of complaints that the horn or bell isn't in the right spot for jim-bobs prototype when all it takes is a tiny drill bit to make that change.
Not everything can be instant gratification. Everyone would love to have every model we need ready to run but n-scale is just not there so sometimes we have to butcher things to get what we want.
You might not agree with me, and that's fine, but we would still be buying items from the manufacturers even if we were also modifying them to fit our prototypes, hence the very numerous threads on here about modeling certain cars, locomotives, whole trains, scenery and so on. We all have to start with certain models to begin building certain
Sorry to hurt your feelings with my opinion but I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees the writing on the wall.

Your friend and elitist

Drasko

[wcfn100]

For once, i kinda disagree on this. usually i agree. i actually had a very lengthy conversation with ken at the NMRA convention. At first, he wasnt too chatty while i was asking about upcoming steamers until i pulled out a couple of my models that ive built. once he knew i was an actual "modeler", we talked about the state of the hobby, what the next n-scale steamer most likely be, and other stuff.
we had a pretty lengthy n-scale discussion and he was all about me inspecting the mech of that new ugly pennsy steamer he had samples of. i dont think hes a big fan of where the hobby is unfortunately headed in regard to RTR models and people not modeling anymore.

I've talked with BLI too and I'm comfortable with what I said.

In the next few months, I think there will be a fairly negative response to a decision regarding an N scale product.  Let's check you're worm and fuzzies after that. 

Jason

[coosvalley]

Do you not realize how many people that are in the hobby that just buy crap?

What does that have to do with the fact that he sounds like a poor company representative? A good company representative would take the time to talk to and listen to ANY potential customer. If my company representative displayed such "elitist" behavior, he would be looking for a new job.

It wasn't a comment about whatever drum you're beating, just that he sounds like a poor representative, unless I misunderstood the definition of "representative".

[draskouasshat]

What does that have to do with the fact that he sounds like a poor company representative? A good company representative would take the time to talk to and listen to ANY potential customer. If my company representative displayed such "elitist" behavior, he would be looking for a new job.

It wasn't a comment about whatever drum you're beating, just that he sounds like a poor representative, unless I misunderstood the definition of "representative".

I don't think it's elitist behavior, it's just behavior towards n-scale as a whole lol. He's not the only one. Check out athearn, walthers, and so on.
His tune changed when he saw what i had modeled. Let's throw athearn under the bus as well here. I asked about an N-scale early challenger and the rep didn't care much until he noticed i had my n-scale version out for comparison.
They're all guilty of it. For the most part, you can say most of the major manufacturers representatives an attitude towards N.
Also,  I'm not trying to beat some f-ing from. I simply stated the type of conversation we had.
Maybe it's a good thing or ruffled some feathers.

Drasko

[coosvalley]

It sure sounds like you don't understand me, so I'll try again.

 If he was representing a mop company, he would still be a poor representative for the company if you first had to prove to him that you were good at mopping.

I'm not saying anything one way or the other in relation to the current state on N scale or any other manufacturer, and whether or not they deserve to be lousy representatives. There's no need to convince me of, whatever it is you're trying to say. Keep calm and carry on!

[draskouasshat]

It sure sounds like you don't understand me, so I'll try again.

 If he was representing a mop company, he would still be a poor representative for the company if you first had to prove to him that you were good at mopping.

I'm not saying anything one way or the other in relation to the current state on N scale or any other manufacturer, and whether or not they deserve to be lousy representatives. There's no need to convince me of, whatever it is you're trying to say. Keep calm and carry on!

I fully understand what youre saying, and hes not the only one but your examlpe isnt real world unfortunately.
If you owned acme janitorial service and had contracts at 40 large buildings, meaning you needed lots of mops, the representative of the mop company will treat you differently than the owner of floyds house cleaning service that employs 2 people cleaning 3 houses a week. its the nature of business unfortunately.
The worlds not full of puppy dogs and rainbows. im betting most people that have been to a show have, to an extent, exhibited the same behavior unknowingly while looking at a model or module thats extremely nice and well detailed. youre more prone to have a conversation over something thats interesting vs the plain jane model or module sitting next to it.
being a dick to someone is one thing, and i dont agree with treating people that way, but sometimes people also take things a bit too personally so that might be part of the problem.
Drasko

[reinhardtjh]

So I'm a bit behind.  The AC6000's hit the stores and are now history (of sorts).  I don't remember hearing any problems like the F3 and F7's had so that's good.

The SD40-2 was hoped to hit the stored in July but got postponed to August.  Not horrible as I'll remind everyone they Started with a July date, slid to August and then back to July so August would be one of BLI's best predictions to date.  Of course, it's now September, but I saw someone said they are in some store so maybe they will be out enforce very soon.

The T1 slipped two months to October.  Still not M1 territory despite some noise on Facebook.  Pre-production models have been seen and touched by real, live people so it's just a matter of time (and containers) before they arrive.

Still nothing on the web site about the cryogenic tanks.  But there was a picture of them at a recent show.

BLI's Product Delivery Schedule is down to five items total.  Three HO and two N scale.  Nothing announced for 2019.  I don't recall if they were caught in the AFFA closure.


Update August 27th, 2018

Model	August 27th, 2018	July 9th, 2018	June 1st, 2018	May10th, 2018	April 18th, 2018	March 22nd, 2018	Original
EMD SD40-2	August 2018 (+1 month)	July 2018 (-1 month)	August 2018	August 2018	August 2018 (+1 month)	July 2018	July 2018
PRR T1	October 2018 (+2 month)	August 2018 (+1 month)	July 2018 (+1 month)	June 2018	June 2018 (+1 month)	May 2018 (+1 month)	April 2018
Cryogenic Tank	Not on list!	Not on list!	August 2018	August 2018	August 2018	August 2018

[coosvalley]

 

OK, right on 

[mike_lawyer]

BLI's products to be delivered down to five.  I have never seen it that low.

[bbussey]

The Liquified Air tanks aren't on the list, but I was told via email that they would be released at the end of this year.