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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2013, 11:24:37 PM »
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Added a road right through the middle of my yard.  Why, you might ask?  To make the thing look more like the prototype one I'm modelling  What a stupid idea.  Damn thing crossed 11 tracks, in two adjacent yards, on the real PRR/WBCRR in Buttonwood.

My hopefully future prototype, the St Maries River Railroad, has a road right through the middle of it's yard as well; fortunately they don't need all the tracks there, but still have to cross it
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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2013, 11:59:21 PM »
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Added a road right through the middle of my yard.  Why, you might ask?  To make the thing look more like the prototype one I'm modelling  What a stupid idea.  Damn thing crossed 11 tracks, in two adjacent yards, on the real PRR/WBCRR in Buttonwood.

Should make switching more interesting.



I shall go to sleep with nightmares. This is the set up we have in our yard in Palmer Mass. It SUCKS. You have to keep cars 1 car length from the end of the crossing when tieing things down. You have to stop, get off the shove, protect the crossing, occupy the crossing, stop the movement, get back on again, start the movement again. Oh the humanity. Yes it is prototypical  :x
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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2013, 01:14:52 AM »
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Lee,

Thanks for great photos today, and in all of your posts over the years. Sad to see this pass, but best wishes for the future.

I managed to get the bench work and the lighting facia finished for the first corner of the Beer Line track plan. It seems like things are going slow, but here is where I was in September.



The view now.


Two of the three Schlitz grain elevators mocked up. The Pabst elevator will be on the left side of this view.


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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2013, 01:15:08 AM »
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Thx to Alwyn Cutmore for helping me, I was able to refine my research
on whether our Atlas B40-8 mechansim with C628 trucks gives or doesn't give accurate
RSD-15 wheelbase.

Bottom line:

**We are back to original conclusion
**Atlas B40-8 mechanism with Atlas C628 trucks gives accurate RSD-15 wheelbase

Whew! 

Thx to Alwyn for helping so much for this research.  Our rivet counting conscience can now go and
build massive numbers of RSD-15's in peace, using this combination of mechanism and trucks.


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For those who care, below I've included the calculation, combining data from the following sources:

* Data in the http://hosam websites for the Alco Roadswitcher dimensions: http://www.hosam.com/alco/rsdim.html
* Same website, GE B40-8 truck center to center wheelbase dimensions: http://www.hosam.com/ge/gewhb.html
* RSD-15 plans

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Here's the computation.  By looking at the RSD-15 plans:

* The Alco RSD-15 plans show center to center of Alco trimount trucks TRUCK BOLSTERS is 43'-06" (confirming Note 2 in the HOSAM table). 

* However, the plans also CLARIFY that distance, by identifying this location is 1' 10" OUTBOARD of the center axle
(the plans/pictures worth 1000 words, from the plans, now I realize what the HOSAM table was trying to say)

* In other words, the Alco trimount truck's CENTER AXLE is therefore 1'-10" INBOARD of the TRUCK BOLSTER

* Remembering that the gear tower of the N scale Atlas C628 trucks is directly over the center axle.....

* We therefore need to calculate the prototype RSD-15's center-axle to center-axle distance
 
* To do that, we calculate:  (RSD-15 TRUCK BOLSTER distance) - (1' 10" front truck) - (1' 10" rear truck)
* Plugging in the numbers:                 (43' 6")  -  (1' 10") - (1' 10")  =   
* And that equals 39' 10" distance center-axle to center-axle

* I used my N scale-ruler to measure my B40-8 chassis with C628 trucks

* It measures exactly spot on that distance - COOL!!!

So, next I investigated why the Atlas B40-8 mechanism + C628 trucks gives this accurate wheelbase.

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To do that, I researched the GE B40-8 center-of-truck to center-of-truck distance, to compare this to the Alco 39' 10" distance

* We see from: http://www.hosam.com/ge/gewhb.html
* That the GE Dash 8-40 truck center-center distance is 39' 0"

* And that's only 10" off from the Alco RSD-15 center-axle-center-axle spacing is 39' 10" 

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* We can see from following photos, the B40-8 truck gear is centered on the 39' mark per B40-8 dimensions
* We can see the C628's gear tower is over the center axle, therefore in a B40-8 mechanism, the center axles would be.... 39' feet apart



http://www.pbase.com/atsf_arizona/image/148672764

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What this means is the Atlas B40-8 mechanism locates the C628 gear towers a scale 39' apart
Which is within 10" of what a perfect scale gear tower location of the Atlas C628/C630 trucks should be for an RSD-15

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This happy circumstance happens because the Atlas N scale C628 truck gear tower is centered over the middle axle,
NOT over the actual middle of the truck.

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Whew! 

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All this is why the Atlas N scale B40-8 mechanism turns out to be a almost perfect spot on match
for correct RSD-15 truck spacing, using the Atlas C628 / C630 trucks

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If this is how SSWJIM (Jim Bence, San Diego Society of N Scale) figured out that the Atlas B40-8 mechanism with Atlas C628 trucks combination
is the best fit for under the MRC RSD-15 shell, my hat's off to him, he's a smarter man than I am.

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As I said in beginning, thx to Alwyn Cutmore for helping so much for this research. 

Our rivet counting conscience can now peacefully go and kitbash, massive numbers of RSD-15's using MRC shells,
over mechanisms that are combination of N scale Atlas B40-8 mechanism and Atlas C628/C630 trucks.


« Last Edit: February 10, 2013, 01:50:16 AM by atsf_arizona »
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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2013, 02:03:10 AM »
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Great stuff this week! :D

Here are some photos of recent progress on my SP15AC kitbash now that my parts from Atlas finally arrived. The radiator exhaust section was taken from an Atlas GP15-1 shell and the intake grilles are from an etched set for tunnel motors. The forward walkway section, which still needs a lot of stepwell work, was taken from an Atlas SD50 walkway. The distance between pilot faces came out to be exactly 18" longer than my MP15DC model, which I understand is correct for the AC.





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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2013, 02:11:15 AM »
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Quite a nice bash project Russ . The LIRR has quite a few of those that went through many paint schemes .


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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2013, 02:25:17 AM »
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At some point there will be another project.  But for now, I'll be doing some other things and enjoying seeing several hunks of the layout being incorporated into some friends' layouts.  It was a lot of fun while it lasted.

Lee

I was surprised to hear that this layout is coming down.  There are some great shots posted there - thanks for sharing.  Great news if some sections will live on elsewhere.


Scott:

Good work on the bridge.  Looking forward to seeing your CN diesels rolling over it one day.


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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2013, 02:30:06 AM »
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Hi John,

Glad I was able to assist. It is not too often some one from this side of the Pacific Lake can assist with State Side info. I hope to have the RSD 7 info shortly.

Regards

Al

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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2013, 07:43:38 AM »
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Thanks for the share Lee!

Sorry to see it go.

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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2013, 08:22:19 AM »
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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2013, 09:01:37 AM »
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Pud, nice work.

Just a little bit of a suggestion. The color should be more orange. CN and the motorcar groups call them "pumpkin cabs", as they started out orange. CP, which used similar cabs on Woodings CBI and CBL models used yellow. I can get you the section codes if you would like to add "road numbers" as well.


I wasn't really happy with the colour after I saw the picture Ian; you're exactly right it's not "pumpkin" enough. The section numbers would be cool.... thanks !
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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2013, 09:06:23 AM »
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I hoisted a cold ale last night in tribute to Lee's outstanding pike....while watching the Maple Leafs destroy the Canadiens 6-0.... made the tribute that much sweeter.........

Take her down carefully Lee, she's a treasure !
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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2013, 09:17:30 AM »
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Hi John,

Glad I was able to assist. It is not too often some one from this side of the Pacific Lake can assist with State Side info. I hope to have the RSD 7 info shortly.

Regards

Al

Alwyn, the mutual collaboration is fun and interesting.  I would be very interested in any RSD-7 info, please let me know how I can be of
help in this research, for all of our model railroading benefit.  :-)
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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2013, 09:28:18 AM »
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Looking for suggestions on how to paint this fence:


I would use rattle can black...  Probably has the best chance of sticking.  Would wash them in soapy water first.

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Re: Weekend Update 2/10/13
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2013, 09:36:16 AM »
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Looking for suggestions on how to paint this fence:


Got an airbrush? You can spray it with Scalecoat (not Scalecoat II) loco black paint. The paint will never come off. You can then bake it on (follow instructions) permanently.


Hmm... do you need to
add yeast...?


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