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Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« on: October 04, 2019, 10:03:11 AM »
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Could someone please post some direct comparison shots of the Atlas 90 Ton vs the Micro Trains 100 ton hopper? I know that the Atlas car is based of the N&W H-11A, but I’m not sure of the MT prototype.

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2019, 10:32:50 AM »
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I am pretty sure both the Atlas "90 ton" (it's really a 100 ton car) and the MT 100 ton hopper are based on the N&W H11a/b/c/d/e design.

There was a discussion about this years ago when the MTL hopper was new, but that was probably on the old Atlas forum.

I think I had a few pics in this thread, but some of them have gone to bad links:

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=20824.0

If I get a chance this weekend, I can take some comparison shots.

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2019, 06:54:26 PM »
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I am pretty sure both the Atlas "90 ton" (it's really a 100 ton car) and the MT 100 ton hopper are based on the N&W H11a/b/c/d/e design.

There was a discussion about this years ago when the MTL hopper was new, but that was probably on the old Atlas forum.

I think I had a few pics in this thread, but some of them have gone to bad links:

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=20824.0

If I get a chance this weekend, I can take some comparison shots.

Mark

While they may both be based on the H11 series, it seems like the slope sheets and end panels are different. Those Atlas cars look really good with the improvements you’ve made!

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2019, 12:25:28 PM »
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Here are a couple of quick photos I've taken of the ones I have. Hopefully these photos will help answer your questions?







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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2019, 03:36:15 PM »
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Interesting that the MT car doesn't have roller bearing trucks. 
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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2019, 05:30:35 PM »
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Interesting that the MT car doesn't have roller bearing trucks.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ple/ple63786ads.jpg

Prototypical to the paintscheme which was from a smaller capacity car...

Those converted trucks would be a nice addition to n scale aswell...
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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2019, 07:46:53 PM »
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Those converted trucks would be a nice addition to n scale aswell...

Yes they would!

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2019, 11:58:55 PM »
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The MTL model, which is at least 25 years newer, has done the slope sheets angle better.

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2019, 12:02:36 AM »
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A quickie end shot.
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Hope this helps!

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2019, 01:00:30 AM »
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Ryan:  Makes sense, the trucks are right, but the body isn't!  That car isn't available in N scale, is it?  The MDC/Athearn 70-ton 3-bay has too few ribs, and the Atlas PS has too many.

And I'll agree with the others.  Roller bearing conversions were very common in the 60s and 70s, and an N scale version would be most welcome. 
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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2019, 07:53:36 AM »
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The MTL model, which is at least 25 years newer, has done the slope sheets angle better.

(Attachment Link)

The MTL car is a superior model to the Atlas car IMHO.  What it really needs is a recessed offset bolster 100 ton truck to lower it a little, and they would be almost perfect (body mount 1015’s too).  Every time I see MTL at a show, I keep asking about these trucks since they were mentioned several years ago, and I keep getting no timeline.  I tried Trainworx offset bolster 100 ton trucks (not recessed) on these, and they did not approve the appearance at all.  Thanks.

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2019, 08:09:27 AM »
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The MTL car is a superior model to the Atlas car IMHO.

Absolutely! But, in the case of the N&W lettering, the Atlas car is much more accurate (MTL used the wrong version of the "hamburger" logo).

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2019, 11:08:53 AM »
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From an operations stand point, I prefer the Micro-Trains car over the Atlas car. The MTL car has full interior detail, whereas the Atlas car has a round metal weight running lengthwise in the middle of the car. Removing the coal load on the Atlas car spoils the appearance of the car. 

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2019, 02:44:31 PM »
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However, for building a long coal train, I'll take $12 a car and some weathering over $25 a car and still be fussing about the ride height.

Atlas FTW!

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Re: Atlas vs Micro Trains 3 Bays
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2019, 03:07:56 PM »
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However, for building a long coal train, I'll take $12 a car and some weathering over $25 a car and still be fussing about the ride height.

Atlas FTW!

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$12? Hell! My average price paid for my fleet is $8. I can't believe I've out-cheaped you!