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Superior Panel Doors
« on: March 03, 2019, 07:16:38 PM »
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Can anyone confirm for me that the Micro-Trains Superior panel doors are 7'0" wide?

I actually need 8'-0" wide panel doors (1970s era) and am wondering if they are available in N Scale?


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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2019, 07:24:44 PM »
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Micro Trains does offer 8 footers [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2019, 12:40:53 AM »
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Interesting.  I have a package of these, and they're intended for the 50' single door PS-1s.  But the original Youngstown doors on those cars are only 7.5 feet wide.  I just measured both, and the Superior doors are clearly wider.

I needed true 8' Youngstown doors for an NP boxcar, and ended up buying Atlas PS-1s just to get the door.  Now I have a pair of undec 40' PS-1s with no use for them...
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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 01:30:27 AM »
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Micro Trains does offer 8 footers

Tom L

Perfect - thank you!

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 02:15:11 PM »
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Forgive me if this is a silly question, but if i have undecorated MT 40' boxcars with 6'-0" YSD corrugated doors, will these Superior 8' doors fit as replacements or will surgery be required?

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 09:43:52 PM »
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Forgive me if this is a silly question, but if i have undecorated MT 40' boxcars with 6'-0" YSD corrugated doors, will these Superior 8' doors fit as replacements or will surgery be required?

Tim

The MTL 40' PS-1 needs a lot of work even if you want to keep the original 6' door opening, let alone if you want to modify it with a 8' door opening.

Save yourself the trouble and buy an Atlas 40' PS-1 with a 8' door opening.

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2019, 09:55:28 PM »
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I'm guessing this is what you had in mind?

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=bcit803644&o=bcol

Right off the bat, it's my understanding that the MTL 40' PS-1 only has a "half bow-tie" on the end roof panels after removing the roofwalk.

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2019, 10:51:44 PM »
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Right off the bat, it's my understanding that the MTL 40' PS-1 only has a "half bow-tie" on the end roof panels after removing the roofwalk.

MTL 40' cars don't have the bow-tie stiffeners on the last panel.

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2019, 12:25:10 AM »
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I'm guessing this is what you had in mind?

Yes, those are the cars.

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2019, 12:26:40 AM »
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Save yourself the trouble and buy an Atlas 40' PS-1 with a 8' door opening.

Hadn't thought about hte Atlas cars; will check them out.  The only problem is sourcing undecorated cars from them; I have been waiting three years for an outside-braced boxcar.

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2019, 02:01:53 AM »
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I ordered two Atlas PS-1s with 8 foot doors in January, and had them in a couple weeks.  I still have them.  All they have now are the PS and 7-panel Superior doors, as I used the Youngstown and 6-panel Superior for kitbashing.  It would probably be easier to order your own, but I don't really need these.

As for converting a MT car, it depends on whether you want the doors to work.  If yes, it takes some doing.  If not, just extend the door tracks, and glue the new doors in place.  If you have the MT cars, and don't mind the appearance of the unmodified ones, the modified version won't looks any worse.
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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2019, 11:21:17 AM »
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MTL 40' cars don't have the bow-tie stiffeners on the last panel.

Jason

Crap...I was probably thinking of the MTL 50' PS-1?

Either way, a PS-1 built in 1956 would have been built with the bow-ties on all of the roof panels.

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2019, 02:20:30 AM »
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Thank you for everyone's input.  here are some photographs of the cars I wish to model:






These were originally Soo Line 1700-2298 series PS-1 cars built in 1956.  They were rebuilt by USRM in 1975 with new 8'-0" six panel doors, reinforced bottom side sills, running boards removed, 'AR' corner ladders cut down, and brakes and draft gear reconditioned.  I am seeing welded construction, P-S ends and roof, and a six panel door, and I am seeing bow-tie stiffeners on the end roof panels.

I have been studying the Atlas model online as I was unaware of them until now. 

Q1. They mention a 10 or 12 stiffener roof per prototype - I assume this is referring to the bow-tie stiffeners and the 10 stiffener version would have the blank end panels?

Q2. They mention 7' 5 panel Superior, and 7' 7 panel Superior doors, and 8' 6 panel door in a later run, so need undecorated cars from later run which come with all three doors?

http://www.nscalesupply.com/ATL/ATL-TM-40PS-1-Box-Car-8Door.html  I believe that ATL-50 001 314 is what I need?

These cars appear to have separate ladders which would make cutting down the 'AR' corner ladders easier, and hopefuly the running board can be removed easily without leaving big holes in the roof.  I will have to rebuild the bottom side sill for either the Atlas or Micro-Trains cars.

Now to find some . . .

Tim









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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2019, 04:14:13 PM »
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If you remove the roofwalk from the newer Atlas PS1, you will not have big holes to fill, just little ones. Also probably some clean up of the roof , as the walkway is slightly glued to it

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Re: Superior Panel Doors
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2019, 12:32:58 AM »
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That is good news - thank you.

Tim
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