Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars

[Point353]

Here is the photograph I have of a GN 50' plug and sliding door car next to the Chetwynd freight shed:





Car number appears to be GN 17858 - not sure if this would be a red or green car . . . probably red?

Tim

Probably red, like these two cars:


http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn17785akg.jpg


http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn17865jpa.jpg

MTL 33010 (made with roadnumbers 17776 and 17833) is in the red paint scheme:

[wcfn100]

Here is the photograph I have of a GN 50' plug and sliding door car next to the Chetwynd freight shed:





Car number appears to be GN 17858 - not sure if this would be a red or green car . . . probably red?


Tim

It's a red car but just the sides.  Black ends and from what I can tell (from other pictures I have), the roof is unpainted with black car cement on all the seems.  The running board appears to be black too, but that one I'm most most unsure about.

Jason.

[Spades]

MTL 33010 (made with roadnumbers 17776 and 17833) is in the red paint scheme:

I like the $3.95 retail price.  I wonder if Joe/Shipsure could release a classic priced line of Micro-Trains.

[cjm413]

It's a red car but just the sides.  Black ends and from what I can tell (from other pictures I have), the roof is unpainted with black car cement on all the seems.  The running board appears to be black too, but that one I'm most most unsure about.

Jason.

On a related note, these cars were rebuilt from second-hand 1937 AAR boxcars and had new diagonal panel roof sections spliced between the original rectangular panel roof sections

[BCR 570]

I agree; looks like black ends and black roof cement.  That is doable.  Thank you for posting the reference photographs.  They will help with weathering.

I have located and purchased on of the MT cars online which can serve as a reasonable stand-in for the time being.

I am learning that a lot of the U.S. roads either built or re-built their own boxcars, which makes obtaining accurate models a challenge.  And i thought it was just us Canadian modellers who had that challenge . . . . .

Tim

[bbussey]

If your talking about this car:



I don't think it had a cushioned frame.

Jason

You’re right, I was thinking about the plug door cars. No cushioned underframe on the double-door cars.

[cjm413]

I agree; looks like black ends and black roof cement.  That is doable.  Thank you for posting the reference photographs.  They will help with weathering.

I have located and purchased on of the MT cars online which can serve as a reasonable stand-in for the time being.

I am learning that a lot of the U.S. roads either built or re-built their own boxcars, which makes obtaining accurate models a challenge.  And i thought it was just us Canadian modellers who had that challenge . . . . .

Tim

If you are looking for an oddball car, Con-Cor's "50' Modern Grain Box Car" is closest to a UP car that was originally built as a 40' box with a 6' sliding door, rebuilt as a 40' car with a grain loading door and auxiliary plug door (like old Athearn HO model), and rebuilt again as a 50' car.

http://www.spookshow.net/freight/cc50grain.html

[squirrelhunter]

*thread drift*

Cjm, I've been interested in getting one of those and fixing it up. One thing I noticed is the car in you photo has non terminating ends, while the Con Cor model ha's older style terminating ends- would the ends off a MT 50' FMC rib side boxcar work?

Back on topic, are there any roads that had FMC combo door boxes like the Athearn/MDC ones that might work?

[cjm413]

*thread drift*

Cjm, I've been interested in getting one of those and fixing it up. One thing I noticed is the car in you photo has non terminating ends, while the Con Cor model ha's older style terminating ends- would the ends off a MT 50' FMC rib side boxcar work?

Back on topic, are there any roads that had FMC combo door boxes like the Athearn/MDC ones that might work?

Here's another UP car that doesn't have the non-terminating ends, but does have bifurcated ribs that aren't currently available in N (Cannon makes them in HO)

[cjm413]

Rebuild from mechanical reefer:

[BCR 570]

Photographs indicate that most foreign boxcars coming to northern British Columbia in the 1970s were double door cars, either plug and sliding or double sliding; presumably so they could go back south with lumber.  I am now curious as to what was coming north in these U.S. cars, probably manufactured goods I am thinking.  Unfortunately none of them turn up on the few switch lists I have.

I will now have a CB&Q, GN and MILW car which is a good start.

Next priority is a UP car if I can find one suitable.


Tim

[cjm413]

Photographs indicate that most foreign boxcars coming to northern British Columbia in the 1970s were double door cars, either plug and sliding or double sliding; presumably so they could go back south with lumber.  I am now curious as to what was coming north in these U.S. cars, probably manufactured goods I am thinking.  Unfortunately none of them turn up on the few switch lists I have.

I will now have a CB&Q, GN and MILW car which is a good start.

Next priority is a UP car if I can find one suitable.


Tim

Those UP FMC X-post cars were built in 1974

[nkalanaga]

BCR570:  According to Scott Thompson, in his "Equipment Color Pictorial vol 1", these cars were leased in 1964, and came in red, with black ends and roof.  I would doubt that they ever received green paint, because by the time they would have needed to be repainted, either BSB (1967) or BN Green (1970) would have been used. 

MT has run these more than once, but all of theirs I've seen had red ends and roof.  The 36000-36249 were all red, with some repainted green, with "Empire Builder" style lettering. Probably some received BSB, but I haven't looked for them.  MT also made these, with the red names.

The 36250-36749 were delivered in green, with either white or red "Slant Serif" lettering, and some were repainted BSB.   

None were PS-1s. but if one can live with that, MT has made several of the paint schemes.

[Point353]

Photographs indicate that most foreign boxcars coming to northern British Columbia in the 1970s were double door cars, either plug and sliding or double sliding; presumably so they could go back south with lumber.

Next priority is a UP car if I can find one suitable.

Tim

UP series 300300 to 300449 of double sliding door boxcars was built, as noted, in 1974.

Here's a photo of one such car taken in 1977: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2966812

MTL released their model first as a single car (item number 30180) and later as a 4-car "runner" pack (item number 993-00-073).

[BCR 570]

UP series 300300 to 300449 of double sliding door boxcars was built, as noted, in 1974.

Here's a photo of one such car taken in 1977: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2966812

MTL released their model first as a single car (item number 30180) and later as a 4-car "runner" pack (item number 993-00-073).

Thank you!  The MT car seems to match the prototype photo fairly well and that would be a unique colour on my layout, other than perhaps an early Railbox.  Will look for a single car.


Tim