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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2018, 02:09:32 AM »
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Here's a photo of another PC AAR 50' double-door, Sarnia ON, May 1976.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/pc-175689.jpg

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2018, 12:46:18 PM »
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Here's a photo of another PC AAR 50' double-door, Sarnia ON, May 1976.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/pc-175689.jpg

Looks like that one also has a lowered handbrake

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2018, 09:36:20 PM »
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Here's a photo of another PC AAR 50' double-door, Sarnia ON, May 1976.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/pc-175689.jpg


Looks like that one also has a lowered handbrake

Which, given the regs at the time is logical.
Half height ladders mean lowered brake wheels too.
And the car isn't alone- the next door neighbour seems identical.
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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2018, 01:00:42 AM »
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"Half height ladders mean lowered brake wheels too."

Only if the ladders are shortened on the B end.  But I agree, PC 175689 does appear to have the lowered brakewheel.

Many cars had the A end ladders shortened, while the B end were left tall, and the brake wheel stayed at the top of the end.  Most of the BN, and predecessor road, cars kept their high brakewheels when the roofwalks were removed, with only the A end ladders shortened.

The Yreka Western didn't shorten ANY of the ladders when they removed the roofwalk (or had it removed, I don't know who did the work):
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3047711
MT made a model of this car, and removing the roofwalk was simple.  Notice that the blue on  the roof doesn't match the sides, and the area under the roofwalk wasn't painted, so any touch-up work was easy.

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2018, 12:51:42 AM »
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"Half height ladders mean lowered brake wheels too."

Only if the ladders are shortened on the B end.  But I agree, PC 175689 does appear to have the lowered brakewheel.

Many cars had the A end ladders shortened, while the B end were left tall, and the brake wheel stayed at the top of the end.  Most of the BN, and predecessor road, cars kept their high brakewheels when the roofwalks were removed, with only the A end ladders shortened.

The Yreka Western didn't shorten ANY of the ladders when they removed the roofwalk (or had it removed, I don't know who did the work):
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3047711
MT made a model of this car, and removing the roofwalk was simple.  Notice that the blue on  the roof doesn't match the sides, and the area under the roofwalk wasn't painted, so any touch-up work was easy.

YW purchased those cars from WP in 1977 (same road #'s), so some of them may have been delivered without roofwalks. 

On a related note, these cars were built as 40' PS-1's and would have received new roofwalks when they were stretched (and rebuilt with new doors) in 1965.

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2018, 01:44:44 AM »
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CJM413:  Thank you!  I was wondering where they came from, and that also means they're too new for my railroad.  Darn!  The picture I linked to was supposedly taken in early February, 1977, and the car already rust and scrape damage, as well as a bent ladder, so they must have gotten them very early in '77.  Or the photo date is wrong...  Oddly, it doesn't have any consolidated stencil, which should have been applied when it was repainted.

That they were "kitbashed" cars makes it even more interesting. 

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2018, 03:16:35 AM »
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CJM413:  Thank you!  I was wondering where they came from, and that also means they're too new for my railroad.  Darn!  The picture I linked to was supposedly taken in early February, 1977, and the car already rust and scrape damage, as well as a bent ladder, so they must have gotten them very early in '77.  Or the photo date is wrong...  Oddly, it doesn't have any consolidated stencil, which should have been applied when it was repainted.

That they were "kitbashed" cars makes it even more interesting.

https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1968/bc35701.php

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2018, 10:26:25 AM »
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re: NSL

So, there's matching the exact car in the photo, or getting an appropriately similar NSL car for your era.

The car in the photo is a mid-1970s built Plate "B" Evans/USRE 5077 cuft. design.
The ExactRail car is a late 1970s built Plate "C" Evans 5277 cuft. design.
The upcoming NARC car is a mid 1970s Plate "B" Pullman-Standard 5077 cuft. design.
The Athearn SIECO is a mid 1970s Plate "B" SIECO 5077 design.

NSL had all of these variations as well as Plate B and C Berwicks (although there's no good N scale Berwick, that old Athearn/MDC "thing" is a dog), so any of them would be appropriate, subject to your era/year cutoff and car build dates.

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2018, 11:35:29 AM »
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Thank you Chris for the clarification.  As there is no exact match for the car in the photo, and I am unable to locate an Exactrail car or Athearn car, I will wait for the NARC one.  It is similar, has the door closer which will be a unique feature in my rolling stock fleet, and I like the idea of supporting a local Canadian manufacturer/importer, particularly in light of what is coming next from them!

I have sourced the Athearn CB&Q box car and received the MT Milwaukee box car:




Finding an appropriate 1970s double door box car for some other U.S. roads will take a little more research.


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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2018, 06:43:18 PM »
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Appropriate 50' double-door models for the era, to start:

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Athearn #14150  50' PS1  NH (11/56)

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ExactRail #50802  50' Gunderson 5200  BN (3/70)

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Fox Valley #8077 & 80825  50' FMC 5283   SSW (6/74)

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Fox Valley #80816  50' FMC 5283  SP (1974)

All discontinued, but not elusive.
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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2018, 06:49:47 PM »
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Thank you Bryan; yes I should probably have a BN car.  I am guessing that most Great Northern boxcars were repainted by 1977; I have a photograph of a GN boxcar in Chetywnd circa 1974 - a 50' double door car with slanted logo.

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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2018, 07:53:39 PM »
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I am guessing that most Great Northern boxcars were repainted by 1977; I have a photograph of a GN boxcar in Chetywnd circa 1974 - a 50' double door car with slanted logo.
Here are two photos of GN 50' boxcars with plug and sliding doors taken in 1979 and 1980:


http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn36439akg.jpg


http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn36452akg.jpg

Micro-Trains 33120 (from 1994) is a GN 50' boxcar with plug and sliding doors:



You'd need to remove the roofwalk and shorten the ladder on one end, but the brakewheel is still in the higher position:


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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2018, 12:30:18 AM »
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ExactRail also made that Gunderson 5200 in SP&S, many of which remained in SP&S paint into the 1980s.  Since the BN cars were from the same order, the SP&S could show up anywhere the BN did.

The Fox Valley "GN" cars aren't exact, being a SOO prototype, but they're close enough, and some of them lasted into the 90s in GN paint.  Quite a few 50 ft GN cars lasted into the 80s, although the standard 40 footers were uncommon after the 70s, and by the late 70s, were mostly in grain service.
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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2018, 01:03:52 AM »
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Here are two photos of GN 50' boxcars with plug and sliding doors taken in 1979 and 1980:


http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn36439akg.jpg


http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn36452akg.jpg

Micro-Trains 33120 (from 1994) is a GN 50' boxcar with plug and sliding doors:



You'd need to remove the roofwalk and shorten the ladder on one end, but the brakewheel is still in the higher position:

The MTL model isn't close enough to the prototype to "need" any modifications.
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Re: Looking For Help With Some U.S. Road Box Cars
« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2018, 01:24:08 AM »
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ExactRail also made that Gunderson 5200 in SP&S, many of which remained in SP&S paint into the 1980s.  Since the BN cars were from the same order, the SP&S could show up anywhere the BN did.

The Fox Valley "GN" cars aren't exact, being a SOO prototype, but they're close enough, and some of them lasted into the 90s in GN paint.  Quite a few 50 ft GN cars lasted into the 80s, although the standard 40 footers were uncommon after the 70s, and by the late 70s, were mostly in grain service.

Con-Cor X-post box with new double sliding doors could be a stand-in for these