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Re: Rapido N Turbo Train schemes and prices
« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2017, 10:42:15 PM »
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How about an FM H20-44?  That's odd, although the UP, NYC and PRR had some.
A little less odd, and even more attractive to me: - the FM H10-44.

Seriously - I'm really excited about the upcoming Turbo (yes, I've ordered one), and the opportunity to finally put to rest my 30+ year fantasy of somehow turning the old Bachmann Turbo into a respectable model.
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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2017, 11:31:22 PM »
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How about an FM H20-44?  That's odd, although the UP, NYC and PRR had some.
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Oh yes, I need a few of those.... :D
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« Reply #62 on: September 18, 2017, 03:49:25 AM »
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It is a little bit for my own benefits, but any Fairbank Morse (road)switchers (H10-44, H12-44 and H20-44) or Baldwin roadswitchers (AS16, AS616 and AS416) would be very interesting as there are quite a number of road names available and no other of the manufacturers seems to pick them up.

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Re: Rapido N Turbo Train schemes and prices
« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2017, 08:01:21 PM »
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Locos that seem like Rapido models to me...

RS18 and RS18u....I doubt we'll ever see the LL/Hobbytown version ever again, and the "u" version is much needed...

RS23..if not Rapido, who else would ever make this loco?

I'd love some N scale SW1200RS action too, especially in CV green.... :drool:

As for freight cars, that 3800 covered hopper is very similar to, but distinctly different from the Intermountain cylindrical hopper, which I recently read is the most-selling freight car in N scale...So I bet they'd be a hit if ever done in N scale...I know I'd grab a bunch..

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« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2017, 12:45:03 AM »
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I second the above. Thank you Rapido! It's rare to get manufacturers to engage at this level, and I for one truly appreciate it, and clearly, there are others here as well. Thank you very much, Jason, your N scale models are awesome and (selfishly) I wish you great success in the N scale market.

Having said that, the Railwire membership is (unfortunately) hardly reflective of the typical N scale buyer, and so one needs to filter the comments here, including mine, with a touch of real world marketing reality. But, for the most part, we are a bunch guys who are serious and passionate about this hobby, and for the most part, pretty knowledgeable.

Now, some thoughts about the differences in marketing N scale. Forgive me if I state the obvious, but sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious to everyone...  In  my humble opinion, most HO-centric guys just don't get N scale. It's NOT a just a smaller version of HO, it's not "about half the size" of HO (and perhaps half as good :|) It's not about competing in detail, but in volume. In our three dimensional miniature world, which is what our three dimensional layouts and trains are, the models are over SEVEN times smaller, and to take advantage of that small a scale, one shouldn't think of just shrinking HO. In a side by side tabletop context, an N scale engine will never look as good as an equivalent HO model next to it, even if it looks damn good. But, side by side, a ten foot N scale train next to a ten foot HO one in a well done layout setting might look more like the real thing (unless one is modeling a branch line; not that there's anything wrong with that :D) It might look better because the power is good looking multiple units instead of one or two, and there are almost twice as many good looking cars, so the train looks like the real thing. Twelve of fifteen car HO "mainline" freights, I don't care how well detailed, pulled by huge locomotives always look silly to me. And this presents an opportunity to sell more N scale cars and locos; there maybe fewer of us, but we need more stuff. Perhaps that's why outfits like Bluford and Intermountain can sell tons of hoppers and reefers that tend to run in multiples; the money is in selling volume, and while good detail is important, things like fine underbody detail becomes less so in that context.
A set of FA's, ones or two's, could be the next product, targeted at US audiences, where the markets are...
Regards, Otto K.

Agree with all the above. I just got a comment from an HO guy saying the NCC plant I'm building for John Colombo was something he "couldn't believe ... could be done in N scale." Backhanded compliment. This attitude of HO modelers is what makes me tend to avoid them. Bigger is NOT better. And I concur with Otto's conclusion that HO guys just don't get N. I think a good analogy would be like saying a motorcycle is just a car, but smaller. Which is ridiculous.
And yes, let's keep up the requests for a DCC FA (1, preferably). Unfortunately the FP-4 wheelbase is probably too long to just plop an FA shell on. But the huge number of railroads that owned them (first and secondhand) must be a big enough selection to get lots of customers.
Lastly, the TRW crowd may be a small and select group but they know what's out there (both past and present equipment) , how it was used, and usually every RR that used it, so getting a consensus of them to agree that a certain item is really good and needed is close to a thumbs up. Of course Peteski will usually be a holdout, but that's Peteski.  :D

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« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2017, 01:26:08 AM »
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Lastly, the TRW crowd may be a small and select group but they know what's out there (both past and present equipment) , how it was used, and usually every RR that used it, so getting a consensus of them to agree that a certain item is really good and needed is close to a thumbs up. Of course Peteski will usually be a holdout, but that's Peteski.  :D

Yes, I dissect models to their smallest components. A model has to be made to very high fidelity and quality standards to get Peteski's vote of approval. From what I'm told, my evaluations are valued by most TRW members.  8)  I only cast dissenting opinions in conversations when I think I'm right (which is most of the time), and if I happen to be wrong or not accurate, I have no problem admitting that I was wrong.

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Re: Rapido N Turbo Train schemes and prices
« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2017, 03:21:27 AM »
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Yes, I dissect models to their smallest components. A model has to be made to very high fidelity and quality standards to get Peteski's vote of approval. From what I'm told, my evaluations are valued by most TRW members.  8)  I only cast dissenting opinions in conversations when I think I'm right (which is most of the time), and if I happen to be wrong or not accurate, I have no problem admitting that I was wrong.
Most model train companies (and indirectly their customers) could well benefit from hiring you to critique their new locomotive models at the pre-production stage, when making any changes or improvements is still possible, before the design is released for mass production.

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« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2017, 04:26:27 AM »
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Most model train companies (and indirectly their customers) could well benefit from hiring you to critique their new locomotive models at the pre-production stage, when making any changes or improvements is still possible, before the design is released for mass production.

I would enjoy that.   :)
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« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2017, 03:23:56 PM »
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Were we to bring out a model at MTL or Kato level, there is nothing to distinguish our models from theirs. Basically, what's the point?

Model selection!

If there were three Atlas quality manufacturers out there pumping out locomotives, I'd happily buy SD40-2s from one, a U30B from another and an SW1001 from the third. They'd all get my money because I can't get the one from the others.

You guys are in that same niche. Nobody else did the GMD. So what sets you apart from Kato? You did that model!

Now, if you did AC4400s, you'd have to have a differentiator, but you're never really going to head.

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« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2017, 04:42:40 PM »
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Model selection!

If there were three Atlas quality manufacturers out there pumping out locomotives, I'd happily buy SD40-2s from one, a U30B from another and an SW1001 from the third. They'd all get my money because I can't get the one from the others.

You guys are in that same niche. Nobody else did the GMD. So what sets you apart from Kato? You did that model!

Now, if you did AC4400s, you'd have to have a differentiator, but you're never really going to head.

Exactly!  Offering models which have not been made in the past (like the GMD or the the Osgood Bradley cars) could be Rapido Trains' niche. Turbo Train to me also fits in the never produced model category because the Bachmann rendition was nothing but a crude toy. The Metroliner for example would also be a good model to produce.  Of course, there is some risk involved in not just producing another F-unit, another GG1, or yet another a Geep or SD variant, but I think with the pre-order system so prevalent nowadays, you could have a good indication of whether a new model will be a commercial success.

Several of your recent models seem to favor the East Coast and of course Canadien modelers. Kato seems to favor West Coast prototypes. If Rapido keeps on producing more East Coast prototypes you would have a nice niche and not even have to compete with Kato, since you would be catering to a different group of modelers.

Speaking of successful runs, I can't help but mention your meat reefers. Maybe are still sitting in stock at Brooklyn Loco Works (that is the only dealer I checked). If you ever re-run them, I suspect that fixing the mold to make the wood sides look more realistic (narrower and shallower gaps between the boards) would make that car a much better seller. I have a feeling that this was a reason those were not an instant seller. I know that if those were better made I would have bought at least one of each in the series.  As is, I only bought couple, just to see how bad they were seen in-person.  Sorry to bring this up again but it is is still on my mind.
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Re: Rapido N Turbo Train schemes and prices
« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2017, 11:57:50 AM »
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Speaking of successful runs, I can't help but mention your meat reefers. Maybe are still sitting in stock at Brooklyn Loco Works (that is the only dealer I checked). If you ever re-run them, I suspect that fixing the mold to make the wood sides look more realistic (narrower and shallower gaps between the boards) would make that car a much better seller. I have a feeling that this was a reason those were not an instant seller. I know that if those were better made I would have bought at least one of each in the series.  As is, I only bought couple, just to see how bad they were seen in-person.  Sorry to bring this up again but it is is still on my mind.

The biggest issue with those cars is that the moulded-on coupler boxes didn't work. All the complaints we got from customers were about that and not about the board gaps. The board gaps are obvious is massive screen photos but not in person. That is a very good example of the response on forums being completely different than the response from customers. (Another good example is the fact that HO forums skew modern but HO sales skew to the 1950s, but I digress...)

Mike started the reefer project and then got sick. It was a tumultuous time for us. Now I will not let an N scale model go out without testing it myself rigorously, especially the couplers.

For the baggage cars, we realized that the factory had sent the shipment but had modified the coupler mould and not sent us a sample before sending out the shipment. I had them recall the shipment back to the factory (blew $400) and send random samples to Canada. We tested the couplers, they met expectations, and then we authorized the shipment. It delayed the shipment by three weeks but it was worth it. The baggage cars have proven very popular. The reefers haven't. And it's not because of the board sizes. It's because you can't use the darn things without them uncoupling!

If you have our meat reefers I recommend cutting off the moulded-on coupler box and just attaching MT boxes. I doubt we will ever make a new run.

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Re: Rapido N Turbo Train schemes and prices
« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2017, 01:40:42 PM »
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Locos that seem like Rapido models to me...

RS18 and RS18u....I doubt we'll ever see the LL/Hobbytown version ever again, and the "u" version is much needed...

RS23..if not Rapido, who else would ever make this loco?

I'd love some N scale SW1200RS action too, especially in CV green.... :drool:

As for freight cars, that 3800 covered hopper is very similar to, but distinctly different from the Intermountain cylindrical hopper, which I recently read is the most-selling freight car in N scale...So I bet they'd be a hit if ever done in N scale...I know I'd grab a bunch..
I'd been in for the Cylindrical hoppers too would love to see these.

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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2017, 02:50:28 PM »
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The biggest issue with those cars is that the moulded-on coupler boxes didn't work. All the complaints we got from customers were about that and not about the board gaps. The board gaps are obvious is massive screen photos but not in person. That is a very good example of the response on forums being completely different than the response from customers. (Another good example is the fact that HO forums skew modern but HO sales skew to the 1950s, but I digress...)

If you have our meat reefers I recommend cutting off the moulded-on coupler box and just attaching MT boxes. I doubt we will ever make a new run.

Mike started the reefer project and then got sick. It was a tumultuous time for us. Now I will not let an N scale model go out without testing it myself rigorously, especially the couplers.


It really is too bad about Mike.  He will be missed (as fellow forum member, and as Rapido's "N-scale ambassador") for a very long time. He is irreplaceable.

As far as the meat reefers go, I wanted to see them in-person so I bought two of them. I guess my standards are higher than most modelers, because even in-person the gaps between the boards are very visible, especially when the car sits next to any of the MTL wooden reefers.  Coupler problem is a minor problem to me. Like you said, one can easily take care of that problem, but fixing the gaps between the boards is pretty much impossible on a factory-decorated (or even on an undercoated) car. I had a good talk about this "gap problem" with Bill Schneider after he gave his presentation at the Springfield show. He seemed to understand the problem and I don't think he was just placating me. But I guess I'll never know.
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« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2017, 03:01:12 PM »
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Just for the record I saw them in person and passed due to the board gaps (and lack of individual cars).  Couplers can be changed, dimensional accuracy (within the limitations of the scale) is a must...

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Re: Rapido N Turbo Train schemes and prices
« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2017, 03:02:59 PM »
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Model selection!

If there were three Atlas quality manufacturers out there pumping out locomotives, I'd happily buy SD40-2s from one, a U30B from another and an SW1001 from the third. They'd all get my money because I can't get the one from the others.

You guys are in that same niche. Nobody else did the GMD. So what sets you apart from Kato? You did that model!

Now, if you did AC4400s, you'd have to have a differentiator, but you're never really going to head.

Seems to me they have decided what their niche is and are going to force it on the nscale market regardless. Based on an HO centric business model it is and has struggled.  I understand the niche idea, but I would hope their is some flexibility built in to allow for two very different markets.
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