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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #270 on: January 14, 2017, 11:59:03 AM »
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Yeah, I think you're right - that's probably a choke coil.  I still think those two dark yellow caps are probably for a keep-alive, and now we seem to be getting more reports that once the wheels are clean, drop-outs pretty much disappear.  I remember that Matt Hermann told me at the National Train Show in Indy that there WAS some keep alive on-board.  I'll bet those two caps are it (and maybe the third cap on the right of the two as well), and that would also explain why there was no obvious connection for an external keep alive.

Well, my curiosity got the best of me.  I ordered one of the Iowa, Chicago & Eastern ones so I could take a close look at the board myself. 

Sigh . . .

John C.

PS - I also posted a set of questions about the board to the Yahoo LokSound list.  I'll let folks know if Matt gives me some answers, including confirming that the Aux3 and Aux4 pads will work for additional lighting; why there seems to be an LED on the bottom back of the board (I don't think there are rear ditch lights, are there?), whether there is keep-alive on the board itself, and whether there are pads to add external keep alive.

I don't think that all 3 tantalum caps are what we call "keep-alove" caps wired on the raw rectified voltage side. I think that one might be smoothing out  the regulated (3 Volts?) voltage for the microprocessor circuits.

I also did not know that locomotives had both front and rear ditch lights, but I have learned (here on TRW) that some railroads do in fact install those on both ends of the engine.  The other possibility (if the front and rear set of pads are in parallel (controlled by the same function) might be that some engines run with long hood forward.
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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #271 on: January 14, 2017, 12:04:34 PM »
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why there seems to be an LED on the bottom back of the board (I don't think there are rear ditch lights, are there?),

Norfolk Southern for sure has front and rear ditch lights. They put them on nearly every rebuild they do and order new engines with them.  The problem is that NS has a hodgepodge mixture of lights below the main decking like IM has them and lights in the "frog eye" mount that sticks above the decking.  Rear lights seem to be most often above the deck while the front can be either.  Possible due to whatever ancestry of the unit.  NS has units originally bought by N&W, Southern and Conrail.

I'm not sure what other roads do the same.

Of course, that doesn't mean the IM models come with front and rear.  The pictures posted for the NS model seem to only have front ditch lights.

There is another run schedule with the NS Horsehead scheme and that implied there might be front and rear ditch lights.



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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #272 on: January 14, 2017, 12:23:06 PM »
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Norfolk Southern for sure has front and rear ditch lights. They put them on nearly every rebuild they do and order new engines with them.  The problem is that NS has a hodgepodge mixture of lights below the main decking like IM has them and lights in the "frog eye" mount that sticks above the decking.  Rear lights seem to be most often above the deck while the front can be either.  Possible due to whatever ancestry of the unit.  NS has units originally bought by N&W, Southern and Conrail.

I'm not sure what other roads do the same.

Of course, that doesn't mean the IM models come with front and rear.  The pictures posted for the NS model seem to only have front ditch lights.

There is another run schedule with the NS Horsehead scheme and that implied there might be front and rear ditch lights.

Thanks for the info, John.

So maybe the rear bottom LED is for the yet-unreleased models with rear ditch lights. 

Meanwhile, someone on another board discovered that there is a THIRD FRONT LED, located behind the headlight LED and hidden by the black foam (tape?) at the front.  According to this person, this LED blinks when F5 is turned on.  He suspects that this light is for the Stratolight (?? - I'm not a modern-era guy, so all these lights are a mystery to me) . . . He was going to unsolder that LED and use the circuit for a beacon.

But . . . this indicates that there are already FIVE active lighting circuits on the board (three in the front, two in the rear), not counting the Aux3 and Aux4 pads.  Could this be an SEVEN function decoder??  Or maybe EIGHT?  Is there yet another LED hiding under the black foam at the back??

John C.

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #273 on: January 14, 2017, 12:39:11 PM »
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Very interesting on the additional LED's under the foam sticker.  I didn't even think to look under there, thought it was there for cushion/fit.  More perplexed now why the alternating ditch light thing wasn't addressed with all these LED"s on board, or maybe they did but I can't figure them out.  There was nothing in the documentation about it, and I tried setting up using the ESU white sheet to no avail.

Also, make sure when re-installing the decoder to make sure it gets back in where it belongs, almost snapping into place.  I turned on track power to test these new found LED"s out and got an immediate short coming from the engine I used to take pictures of board.  I took board out, and slid back in, must not have had it properly seated.  I was able to get one LED to work (F5), but nothing worked the second new found LED.  Must not be mapped from factory.
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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #274 on: January 14, 2017, 12:49:03 PM »
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I'm going to start a new thread on this decoder.  There's information in this thread that might get lost for those looking to add lights, etc.

The other board poster has now confirmed that there is also a third LED behind the REAR LED under the black tape.  He can't get this one to come on with any of the function buttons, but I'll bet that's a programming issue - that LED is probably not assigned a function button as the decoder comes from the factory.  Does anyone know if the rear bottom LED comes on when the front ditch lights are activated (perhaps if the locomotive is operating in reverse?).

@mu26aeh
To have alternating ditch lights, you'd need separate LED's for each ditch light; then there is a way to program the auxiliary functions for those LEDs to have them alternate on/off.   But there are obviously enough lighting circuits on this board to have done this, even for models that have both front and rear ditch lights.  And that still leaves two unused (I assume) Aux outputs for other things. 

John C.

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #275 on: January 14, 2017, 12:55:18 PM »
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I'm going to start a new thread on this decoder.  There's information in this thread that might get lost for those looking to add lights, etc.

The other board poster has now confirmed that there is also a third LED behind the REAR LED under the black tape.  He can't get this one to come on with any of the function buttons, but I'll bet that's a programming issue - that LED is probably not assigned a function button as the decoder comes from the factory.  Does anyone know if the rear bottom LED comes on when the front ditch lights are activated (perhaps if the locomotive is operating in reverse?).

@mu26aeh
To have alternating ditch lights, you'd need separate LED's for each ditch light; then there is a way to program the auxiliary functions for those LEDs to have them alternate on/off.   But there are obviously enough lighting circuits on this board to have done this, even for models that have both front and rear ditch lights.  And that still leaves two unused (I assume) Aux outputs for other things. 

John C.

@jdcolombo Yes, when ditch lights function is activated, both front and rear bottom LED lights when that direction is selected. 

I understand the alternating ditch lights part, I just wonder why ESU didn't just have the LED's in place already, given they've done all this work already.

Someone also already took that new LED off and added a stratolight LED


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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #276 on: January 14, 2017, 01:08:06 PM »
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OK - I posted all the information we have about the various "mysteries" of this new board in a new thread.  This is very interesting stuff!

John C.

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #277 on: January 14, 2017, 02:09:16 PM »
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I wonder why no one has just called ESU directly with their questions?

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #278 on: January 14, 2017, 02:43:22 PM »
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I wonder why no one has just called ESU directly with their questions?

Well, ESU LLC (the US branch of ESU) doesn't have a customer service telephone number (or actually, ANY telephone number) that I've been able to find, and I'm not inclined to try to call the folks in Germany.  Besides, it's much more fun to engage in a lot of WAG-ing (wild . . . guessing) and then try to prove or disprove that than getting actual information from someone in the company! :D

Matt Hermann does monitor the Yahoo group list, and if he knows the answers, he'll respond.  I suspect, however, that not even Matt knows the answers to some of these things, and will have to refer some of the questions to the engineering team in Germany.  And they might not be inclined to tell us the answers to some of these things, under the theory that they'd rather not have hobbyists blowing up their decoders and then asking for replacements . . .

John C.

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #279 on: January 14, 2017, 03:24:20 PM »
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It's 5709801982, I was talking to them last week.

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #280 on: January 14, 2017, 03:34:19 PM »
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Ah . . . well, that's useful  :o  (where did you find that phone number, by the way?  I've searched for it before and never could find a listing for it, and it's not listed in the English manual - at least, not the version I have).

Did you talk to Matt or someone else?

John C.

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #281 on: January 14, 2017, 03:45:46 PM »
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Ah . . . well, that's useful  :o  (where did you find that phone number, by the way?  I've searched for it before and never could find a listing for it, and it's not listed in the English manual - at least, not the version I have).

Did you talk to Matt or someone else?

John C.

It's on their website  :facepalm:

http://www.esu.eu/en/contact/

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #282 on: January 14, 2017, 04:50:51 PM »
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It's on their website  :facepalm:

http://www.esu.eu/en/contact/

OK - I give.  I swear I looked at the web site, under "Support", "Warranty and Repair" and everything else EXCEPT that tiny little button in the upper right corner that says "Contact."  I never even saw it.  And I did a web search for "ESU LLC phone".  And I checked their Facebook page. 

Sigh . . .

I'm probably still going to give Matt a chance to answer via the Yahoo group.  This isn't life or death, just curiosity.  Don't want to take time away from someone who might have a REAL technical support question (and who was smart enough to find the phone number!  :facepalm:)

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #283 on: January 15, 2017, 01:49:41 AM »
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Yeah, it took me a few to find it, I called them to try and get help with the BEMF. Their customer service was quite awesome btw.

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Re: Intermountain SD40-2
« Reply #284 on: January 18, 2017, 03:46:49 AM »
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So, as stated in the other thread about these, I now have one in hand and figured I'd do a review on it.

Right out of the box, I think it's fantastic with lots of nice detail. Mine happens to be missing a windshield wiper but I won't worry too much about it, this model will mainly run at the annual train show up here during Fur Rondy. It will get handled and things will happen. I then checked on the decoder and how everything was mapped out. I don't get why ESU set the decoder up like they did, but I'm sure there's an explanation.

After messing with the decoder I decided to check the sound, and unsurprisingly I think it is very good. I changed the sound file to their V2 version but I'm quite pleased with the sound quality. Then I went to run it and this is where it went downhill. It cut out on me constantly. I decided that I'd have to take it apart. Upon doing this, I noticed it was extremely over lubed which is typical for IM. After fixing my contacts it ran good, except that it needs the BEMF set up.

I would give this loco a 9 or 10 when it comes to looks but a 6 when it comes to mechanical