WOT 80' Baggage-Horse Car Announced, Fall Delivery

[bbussey]

Wheels Of Time has officially announced schemes and delivery schedule for a prototypically-accurate 80' baggage-horse heavyweight car.  Two door variations, two underframe variations.  Five SP schemes, two ATSF schemes, one C&O scheme, and green/unlettered in the first release.

Click here to see the PDF announcement.

[chicken45]

My brain hurts and I'm only one espresso and 1 NOS into the day so, bear with me. What would we need to do to foobify this in to a reasonable PRR car?
Could be a B74b with a new roof and doors?

[bbussey]

I lot less than what is needed to modify the MTL version. 

[Ngineer]

Can you please elaborate which paint scheme and model is accurate?

Only the SP models, as it is an SP prototype?

I remember seeing an old picture (in a Morning Sun book) of the Pacific Electric pulling two ATSF horse cars, but the ATSF horse car can only be seen from the end. Interestingly, there is a real car inside the horse car!

   Javier

[bbussey]

The WOT model and the schemes chosen are prototypical, or nearly so.  It is a SP prototype.

[SP-Wolf]

OH MAN... my wallet is hurting!! Looking forward to correct SP horse cars.

Wolf

[Ngineer]

This model is going to be very hard to resist as I skipped the Micro-Trains model after learning it was too short.

Only the price tag is a major letdown.

   Javier

[nickelplate759]

 I want a Golden State version.
I asked and was told it might be in the second run - hope it sells well enough to get there!

George

[jmlaboda - RIP]

What would we need to do to foobify this in to a reasonable PRR car?
Could be a B74b with a new roof and doors?

If you can live with a deeper letterboard it shouldn't be all that hard.  Cutting the center door out with one side panel included should provide for a more centered door though without a model in hand I can't be sure of this.  The biggest thing is that the letterboard will be deeper than what the PRR had on their cars but if you are willing to accept this the rest should not be all that hard to do.  'course its an 80' car so you will need to loose roughly 6' from the model to make it a more accurate length.

[arbomambo]

won't work for a Santa Fe version, not sure about the C&O...
It is, indeed, an SP prototype.
to accurately depict a Santa Fe car would require a fair amount of work:
adding the bottom channel sill
adding a roof extension to the end that has the doors
removing and relocating the roof vents to reflect the 6 per side on the Santa Fe cars
changing all 6 doors to the style that Santa Fe used
changing the underframe details
swapping the door step rails for the Santa Fe versions




a few cars made it to MOW service (and museums) still, somewhat similar to the WOT version with wooden doors...





the WOT version, all gray, with the 'modernized' doors, is probably the most accurate version, representing this  60's era car...


Bruce

[thomasjmdavis]

Correct me if I am wrong, Bruce, but I think the SP car is longer than the ATSF car, in addition to the several points you made.  Happy with my M&R car (will be finished someday).

[arbomambo]

correction...
Santa Fe had two different lengths of Horse cars; those converted from Chair cars (1980-1984), like the M&R sides version were slightly shorter. the others slightly longer, BUT, these measurements are all relative...
all kinds of dimensions are thrown about-distance over the buffers, distance form inside wall to inside wall, etc...so sometimes it's difficult to nail down the actual measurement of the car body from the 'records'.
Bruce

[thomasjmdavis]

Bruce,

I do stand corrected.  The 1930 Pullman built version of the horse car was built to 82', 2" (per the Head End car book).  I am assuming this is an overall, or over buffer, length, as the 1951 chair car (1980-84) and coach (1985-89) rebuilds are listed at 78'5" (the over buffer length of a "70 foot" chair car).

I recall having to nip a bit off the end of the Rivarossi shell when building the M&R version, so it is indeed 78' plus a fraction.

So, mea culpa, I owe an apology to WoT on the length. (but roof detail is still distinctly NOT ATSF).

[Cajonpassfan]

Well, they are out, and while I was trying to figure out which scheme I want, MBK sold out of most of them. Dang!
Otto K.

[pdx1955]

Well, they are out, and while I was trying to figure out which scheme I want, MBK sold out of most of them. Dang!
Otto K.

Well, I'm sure that BLW will probably have extras so you can get your chance at em .