Minitrix BR110 Question

[spookshow]

Anybody know when these first came out? The internals are very similar to the old Minitrix F9, so I gotta assume they go back quite a ways.



Thanks!
-Mark

[up1950s]

This may be the bread crumb leading to your answer Mark .

http://www.ngaugemodelling.co.uk/publications.html

[christoph]

Mark,

this site is in German, but it might help you:  http://spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-search.asp

I searched for your road number and found nothing with that road number, the ones listed in the database are obviously newer.

Edit:  an new search was partly successful:   for the older version the proction period is  "Produktionszeitraum:    1969 - 1970" 
Edit2:  found your version (see second link below), the list says production period  1971 - 1975

http://spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-artdetails.asp?ID=453060834&DoLog=0&StrippedBez=&Sel_Mixed_Full=110+338&Suchen=Suchen&ToShow=20&MaxCount=166

Here is the link to your model:
http://spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-artdetails.asp?ID=453064717

[keeper]

Mark,

are you expanding your Encyclopedia?

Thomas 

[spookshow]

This may be the bread crumb leading to your answer Mark .

http://www.ngaugemodelling.co.uk/publications.html

Wow, perfect! I've been (unsuccessfully) looking for publications like those 

Thanks Richie,
-Mark

[spookshow]

Mark,

this site is in German, but it might help you:  http://spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-search.asp

I searched for your road number and found nothing with that road number, the ones listed in the database are obviously newer.

Edit:  an new search was partly successful:   for the older version the proction period is  "Produktionszeitraum:    1969 - 1970" 

http://spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-artdetails.asp?ID=453060834&DoLog=0&StrippedBez=&Sel_Mixed_Full=110+338&Suchen=Suchen&ToShow=20&MaxCount=166

1969 sounds about right, thanks for the info (and the links) Christoph. Very helpful! 

Cheers,
-Mark

[spookshow]

Mark,

are you expanding your Encyclopedia?

Thomas 

I sure am. Things have been really slow here in the states (locomotive-wise) in recent years, so I decided to start work on a UK/Europe/Asia locomotive encyclopedia. Should keep me busy for the next several decades 

I've been plowing through the locomotive listings on reynolds.com for a while, but that started to get pretty boring. So, I decided to just jump in and start eBay shopping for some of the older/cheaper ones. It's a lot more fun when you have some toys to play with 

Cheers,
-Mark

[u36b]

Mark,
it is from 1965. The F7 is far more sophisticated, having a plastic shell. N-scale developed rapidly in those early years.

Look out for an early Fleischmann BR50 class 2-10-0 -  it started a revolution (ca. 1969): almost scale, tender drive, great details (for that time). That was the dead spell of die cast toys (like your E10) and the beginning of N-scale, as we know it (at last over here - Kato did it's own part in Japan).


Stephan

[peteski]

Mark,
I still remember about Sakatsu Big-Boy. Just haven't located its round tuit yet. 

[spookshow]

Mark,
it is from 1965. The F7 is far more sophisticated, having a plastic shell. N-scale developed rapidly in those early years.

Look out for an early Fleischmann BR50 class 2-10-0 -  it started a revolution (ca. 1969): almost scale, tender drive, great details (for that time). That was the dead spell of die cast toys (like your E10) and the beginning of N-scale, as we know it (at last over here - Kato did it's own part in Japan).

Wow really, 1965? That would have to make it just about the first ever N scale model from Minitrix, no? Or at least one of the first. The Postage Stamp F units came out circa '66.

I assume that, like the F units, the same basic mechanism design was used in these for many, many years and that the model I have could actually be significantly newer than 1965?

Cheers,
-Mark

[christoph]

Mark,

I think that 1965 is a bit too early.  The model has the new computerized UIC number "110"   instead of the earlier "E10".  This numbering system was introduced 1968.  From the German database I see a production period of 1971 to 1975, which would correlate to the change in the numbering system.

I don't have own experience of that time, I was kind of "junior shareholder" in my father's Märklin layout and only cared about H0 models.

[u36b]

Christoph,
the model was first made in 1965 and produced until about 1975, first as E10 ect. later as class110/112.

Mark you are right - one of the first N scale models from Minitrix .
I found a link to the 1965 catalog: 
http://www.guidetozscale.com/html/1965_catalog.html

stephan

[spookshow]

Thanks, the catalog link is very helpful.

I must say, the European locomotive classification system is a bit of a nightmare. It's like if American railroads called their F7's something different every few years 

"The class E 10 is an electric locomotive of the Deutsche Bundesbahn, introduced in 1952. It belongs to the Einheits-Elektrolokomotiven (standardised electric locomotives) program and was built for express passenger service. In 1968 the series was redesignated as class 110 (E10) and class 112 (E10.12). In 1988 the last series of class 112 locomotives were designated as class 114, and in 1991 the remaining locomotives of class 112 were designated as class 113. In 2006 38 locomotives were designated as class 115." 

Cheers,
-Mark

[peteski]

Thanks, the catalog link is very helpful.

I must say, the European locomotive classification system is a bit of a nightmare. It's like if American railroads called their F7's something different every few years 

"The class E 10 is an electric locomotive of the Deutsche Bundesbahn, introduced in 1952. It belongs to the Einheits-Elektrolokomotiven (standardised electric locomotives) program and was built for express passenger service. In 1968 the series was redesignated as class 110 (E10) and class 112 (E10.12). In 1988 the last series of class 112 locomotives were designated as class 114, and in 1991 the remaining locomotives of class 112 were designated as class 113. In 2006 38 locomotives were designated as class 115." 

Cheers,
-Mark

The re-designations usually happened as railroads were absorbed by other railroads, or because the country's political regime was changing (which brought changes to the railroad system).  It is a bit of a pain to keep track of. But sometimes the re-designations also indicated modifications or improvements to the locos.

[up1950s]

Some times the class gives the epoch . I have seen listed E10.3 .

Here they are , and I like the idea .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Germany