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Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« on: February 11, 2014, 02:19:30 AM »
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Don't know if this happened any where else. Tulip Street and Lehigh Avenue in Philadelphia, Reading and Pennsy roundhouses. PRR facilities are UNDER the Reading yards.


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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2014, 05:26:47 AM »
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Sacramento might have, I'd have to check.  SP and WP's facilities were close IIRC.  The CA RR Museum uses what remains of the SP shops as their restoration facility.

edit:  WPs facility was in Stockton :facepalm:
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2014, 07:18:41 AM »
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Funny that there is 2 tracks on the TT ?  ( pink side )
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2014, 09:50:14 AM »
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edit:  WPs facility was in Stockton :facepalm:

:D

Funny that there is 2 tracks on the TT ?  ( pink side )

Nope. There are 3. Draftsman was evidently having a bad day. :facepalm:
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2014, 10:00:03 AM »
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Now that I've had some time to wake up...
Oakland CA had yards for WP, SP, and SF stacked up around each other near Jack London Square.  It currently follows Embarcadero, Nimitz, and 7th street. IIRC (as good as it is) the section north of 7th the was SF, south was SP and the section east of Jack London Square was WP's.
The WP station the CA Zephyr stopped at was near Broadway and 5th (Nimitz Freeway) and SP's station for the San Joaquin Daylight was a couple blocks away
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2014, 10:15:05 AM »
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:D

Nope. There are 3. Draftsman was evidently having a bad day. :facepalm:

I guess my eyes were not completely open either ....   :?
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2014, 10:40:16 AM »
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Nope. There are 3. Draftsman was evidently having a bad day. :facepalm:

And that's all you need to know about the accuracy of Sanborn maps when it comes to track.


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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2014, 12:06:52 PM »
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I like the disparity in bridge lengths of the two turntables.  The pink one is pretty small by comparison.

@jnevis -
Having been raised in Sacramento and seeing a number of Football games at old Hughes Stadium, I marveled at the WP action behind the stadium.
The dirt area in this linked Google map is where the WP's Sacramento yard and Sacramento shop buildings were located.  http://goo.gl/maps/bDnDf
Here are some images of the WP Sacramento shop building. 
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r293/VIEWLINER/2011%20VLTD/WPRR3.jpg
http://people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/654-653-652.jpg
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2014, 12:45:23 PM »
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So I wasn't (completely) out of my mind :D

I'll blame it on the meds :scared:
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 09:15:15 AM »
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Funny that there is 2 tracks on the TT ?  ( pink side )

Second track is actually in the Reading yard above the turntable.

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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2014, 02:05:45 AM »
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Above the turntable?  Was it on a bridge, or was the entire Reading yard on some type of deck, with the PRR built as a subway?
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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2014, 07:29:11 AM »
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The entire Reading yard is elevated on a viaduct. The streets and PRR tracks are below. I'm not sure when the PRR facilities disappeared but I can't recall seeing anything but the Reading yard...


There are plans to turn the viaduct into a "sky park".


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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2014, 09:27:40 AM »
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Frank, the Sanborn map shows the Reading RR Lehigh Avenue yard which started north of this site at Kensington Ave., where the Reading had a YMCA for train crews I believe. It extended to the Delaware River at Port Richmond, where lots of coal left for parts unknown, Budd Co. exported stainless steel cars for overseas operators and the port received ore for Bethlehem Steel in Bethlehem and sugar for the many sugar houses along the waterfront. I think BOTH of those roundhouses belong to the Reading. The line going left to right is the PRR Trenton Avenue Branch (it was built OVER Trenton Avenue most of its length). The track that drops down to the Reading was for interchange. The Pennsy serviced the Trenton Avenue diesels at Frankford Junction where the Trenton branch originated. I've never seen a Sanborn for Frankford Junction to see if steam facilities were located there, will have to find some. On a Sanborn doesn't PINK denote brick construction and YELLOW wood or something else?
The other photo shows the elevated approach to the Reading Terminal located at 12th & Market Sts. in center city Philadelphia. Those tracks were never a yard per say, they were the tracks for the numerous commuter trains that ran into and out of the city and thus held trains waiting to get into the station to drop off passengers or wait for the morning and evening rush. There was a servicing facility at Green St. That was demolished in the 50's or 60's. I'm not positive of the location of the photo, can't tell in which direction the terminal is. The Pennsy had branches down at street level but that Trolley tracks in the photo. Do you have a location for that photo? Joe

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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2014, 09:11:45 PM »
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You're right...Both roundhouses are Reading. I didn't look close enough. The roundhouse and buildings on the Lehigh Ave side is marked "to be removed"...


Not sure about the Pennsy tracks.

I'm not sure of the location of the photo, it is not identified in the article. I do remember the Reading facilities along Lehigh Ave. Had to drive along side it quite a few times. By the time I was old enough to drive, Tulip street was completed under the yard.

While I was never in the Reading Terminal itself, I have been to the terminal market. Never thought about the fact that it may have been under the terminal itself.

Thanks for setting me straight.

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Re: Two Railroads, Adjacent Engine Facilities
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2014, 01:49:30 AM »
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Frank:  Thank you.
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