Removing Glued on Roof: Intermountain Boxcars

[MichaelWinicki]

That's a cool prototype Dave, but I'm concerned that you're starting with a car that has the wrong roof, end, doors and sides.   

I do like the sill on that.  I don't know if I've seen one that extend beyond the ends so much.


Jason

Other than that... It's perfect! 

[bbussey]

Looks like the sides may be correct, or close enough.  Since the roof is not, does it matter to try and salvage it?  Unless you want to save it for future projects, I would drill through it and cut it away, and remove any roof residue with jewelers files and X-Acto blades.  Then, I would employ a Stanray roof from one of the Athearn or ExactRail cars.

[skm]

That plug door looks pretty wide (10'?), but the MTL 69 xx xxx series 51' refrigerator car has the correct roof at least?

[Dave Schneider]

That's a cool prototype Dave, but I'm concerned that you're starting with a car that has the wrong roof, end, doors and sides.   

I do like the sill on that.  I don't know if I've seen one that extend beyond the ends so much.


Jason

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? 

No worries Jason. I am with you on all the issues. This is definitely an exercise in the art of the possible. As much as I would love a fleet of completely accurate models, that fact is that I need a small fleet. The roof is an easy fix, and the wood running board had to go. The plug door shouldn't be too bad either. The sides are pretty close. The correct number of panels and riveted....so good enough. I may change the ends if I can find a suitable one. The MicroTrains 51 ft Mechanical Reefer looks close...but I may skip this step (don't tell, okay). Here is a shot of the ends. Thoughts?



As for the side sill, this was common on the RBs used in Schlitz service. See also:
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll290/djs_ank_ak/BeerRailcars/DSDX_4495.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll290/djs_ank_ak/BeerRailcars/DSDX_2023-1.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll290/djs_ank_ak/BeerRailcars/URTX_10417.jpg

I speculate that this design allowed for a solid push point for Schlitz, which moved cars with a tractor.

The doors are 10 ft wide.

Bryan, is this a Stanway roof? My vocabulary has some holes in it.



Best wishes, Dave

[wazzou]

Stanray diagonal panels with overhanging eaves.  It looks like the easiest way to acquire that would be to cannibalize an Athearn NACC boxcar.  I have several and have tried to cast them but the thin cross section of the overhanging roof eave has caused me some fits in addition to the resin I was using, shrinking but that's a topic best left alone.

[Dave Schneider]

Thanks Bryan. I was asking one of the other Bryans.....hard to keep track of you all (says one of the Daves). My plan was to use the roof from the Walthers NACC cars, as I have 20+ of these and the roof practically falls off. Same for the plug doors.

Best wishes, Dave

[wcfn100]

The roof is just a Diagonal Panel.  Stanray is the 'X' patern.

The R/3/4 can be had off a couple cars, but some are later cars with low brake wheels and low ladders.  There also appears to be a couple options for the door including the Athearn NACC cars.

I can look later tonight if I get a chance and see if anything stands out.

edit: Nevermind, you're on top of it. 

Jason

[skm]

The ends look like the Pennsy R+3-4 that I believe (hope!) are the ends on the IM modified 1937 AAR 40' boxcar. (Anyone confirm this, I want to buy some as the Pennsy had them on practically everything?) They ARE on the ends of the Deluxe Innovations 1944 AAR boxcar, but they are molded on, sadly.

The roof is a diagonal panel Stanray Mfg Co. with overhanging eaves.
The roof on the NYC IM car is a Murphy (rectangular) panel.
On IMs website they show several cars with diagonal panel roofs, but I haven't seen them on any recent releases.
I keep meaning to call them regarding the R+3-4 ends and the diagonal panel roofs as parts, but I keep forgetting to do so.

Hope this helps?

[wazzou]

The roof is just a Diagonal Panel.  Stanray is the 'X' patern.

Jason

The Diagonal Panel roofs were in fact manufactured by Stanray.

[wcfn100]

The Diagonal Panel roofs were in fact manufactured by Stanray.

I see my confusion but not so fast...

I've never really paid attention before, but at some point in the 60's, instead of just being called Standard Railway Equipment (who I associate with the diagonal panel roof), they became a division of the Stanray Corporation (but still listed 'Standard' as the manufacturer).

Was there a Stanray before the 60's? 

I know there's some splitting hairs here, but  I don't think Stanray would a name you could use before sometime in the 60's in regards to a roof, and they weren't really the manufacturer.


Jason

[Robbman]

Don't know the exact year, but when Standard wanted to diversify into non-rail fields (primarily airport related machinery), Stanray (STANdard RailwAY) was created as the company, with Standard Railway Equipment simply made a separate division.  Travelers Manufacturing (boats) was bought around the same time, they also became a division.

[wcfn100]

It's in the 21st Car Builders book which is '61.

Stanray had a fiberglass boat division too!


Jason

[Dave Schneider]

Thanks for the info guys. How very  of you! I expect nothing less.

Any thoughts on the ends? I don't think the IMRC 1937 ends will work, they appear to be a 4-5 (or 5-4) pattern from what I have seen. Maybe the "12-panel" ends?

Best wishes, Dave

[wcfn100]

Thanks for the info guys. How very  of you! I expect nothing less.

Any thoughts on the ends? I don't think the IMRC 1937 ends will work, they appear to be a 4-5 (or 5-4) pattern from what I have seen. Maybe the "12-panel" ends?

Best wishes, Dave

Dave, in case you haven't noticed, we're talking about boats now. 

I have some of this written down somewhere, I can look later tonight.

Jason

[Robbman]

Stanray had a fiberglass boat division too!


Jason

And aluminum!  Yes, Dave, we're on boats!  In a few days, we'll be talking about baggage conveyors