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EP&GL - layout planning (round freight station)
« on: February 01, 2012, 10:45:50 PM »
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I've been doing some research on some NYC prototypes and I found the Harlem transfer terminal. I wrote a blog post about it on my site. http://nscalerail.com/ep-and-gl/layout-progress-trackplanning-full-size

My question is: I've exhausted the usual digital suspects (Google etc.) and I am hoping someone out there has seen the round freight station that goes with the terminal. I really know a descent amount about it (size shape etc.) but I don't know how it looked. If it were brick or wood framed or really anything aesthetic.

Edit: Should have read a little better on the BEDT trainweb site. It WAS a brick structure. So there is that - still have no idea on how it looked.

Any help or places you can point me in is greatly appreciated.

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« Last Edit: February 01, 2012, 11:03:44 PM by timwatson »
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Re: EP&GL - layout planning (round freight station)
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2012, 03:13:29 AM »
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Shoot me a PM with your e-mail.  I have everything I could find about that place.  ;)

The "round house" was wood early on and painted dark green. Later it was concrete block.
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Re: EP&GL - layout planning (round freight station)
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2012, 04:36:34 AM »
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Might as well post here.  :)
Original wood building:


In 1957 it was rebuilt with concrete block and brick:


This photo shows the older dark green house:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht214.jpg

and here is the exact same spot with the new house:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht215.jpg

The round water side was concrete block and the flat street side was brick.
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht534.jpg
Close up of one of the loading bays:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht536.jpg

Also when the new house was built the trackwork around it was also changed. There was no longer a double track all the way around the building. I can e-mail you plans of the newer building that also shows the track changes.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2012, 08:45:07 AM »
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Chris yet again you come to my modeling rescue! Dude thanks so much. I am glad we have the same modeling interests. Sending PM now.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2012, 08:53:18 AM »
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Tim Warris, owner of Fast Tracks, modeled it in HO:

http://www.bronx-terminal.com/
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2012, 09:00:34 AM »
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Believe it or not Phil that is a DIFFERENT round freight house. These 2 terminals were only 1 block apart from one another. The Central NJ built their freight house based off of the Harlem one (the CNJ one is the one Tim Warris has modeled - to an amazing degree I might add). I guess this one is the arch enemy of CNJ round freighthouse terminals.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2012, 10:05:00 PM »
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Suffice it to say Chris333 is the MAN!

My oh my. Chris you made this portion of my model railroad possible right there. I will compile the information and post some of the goodies here and on my blog. It's going to take me many days just to process it all. Wow.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2012, 03:08:42 AM »
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Hey I use the same internet as everyone else.  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2012, 07:17:23 PM »
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Right ..... except "you know people" who "know people" who "know stuff" ....
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Re: EP&GL - layout planning (round freight station)
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 10:12:16 AM »
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Tim,

Is this the DL&W freight one? I just got my hands on MRP 2007 and they have an entire article on this terminal using a sheet of plywood with some good information, including a scaled print out of the track arrangement. If it is the same one, thought I'd let you know about the article, if not, just ignore,

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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 10:40:31 AM »
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Thanks Phil yup it's one and the same actually. I haven't seen the article but Chris told me about it. So far I have a pretty good plan of what it looked like in 1936 or so and that's the one I will probably go with. If you get a chance and want to scan them in I'd be happy to compare them. Maybe have a collected Harlem transfer thread.
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Re: EP&GL - layout planning (round freight station)
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 02:51:59 PM »
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It is one of the older plan with the carfloat on the "other" side. BTW the carfloat and bridge was moved so they could dig for a subway line.