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December Micro Trains...
« on: November 25, 2009, 11:34:47 PM »
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020-00-826     40ft Box Car: Baltimore & Ohio # 467004 w/Crate Load   
025-00-700     50ft Box Car: Central Vermont # 600148                          
032-00-450     50ft Box Car: D&RGW # 5099   
047-00-405  Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Billboard Car # 5   
053-00-020     60ft Centerbeam: Trailer Train # 86086 w/Wood Frame Load    
059-00-540  40ft Steel Ice Reefer: American Beef Packers # 75529    
066-00-060    3 Dome Tank Car: Conoco # 190   
074-00-116    US Presidents Car #16: Grover Cleveland (22nd President)   
130-00-060    Bay Window Caboose: Union Pacific / WP # 438    
499-90-905    Lasercut Wood Kit: Two-Story Military Barracks   
993-00-040    Runner Pack # 40: 40ft Box Cars Northern Pacific  4 Pack   

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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2009, 10:42:22 AM »
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The B&O boxcar is based on an 1944 AAR prototype, better suited for the Deluxe Innovations model.  The crate load is a welcome addition though.

The black Conoco tank is welcome, although the black SHPX was a far more ubiquitous prototype.
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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2009, 10:52:39 AM »
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Every once in while MTL offers a car that tempts me. The CV car is doing just that, and it would give my green on white CV boxcar (MTL did it around 20 years ago) some company.

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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2009, 11:01:12 AM »
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A few of those cars would work for me, but right now none are screaming "buy me!"

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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2009, 11:57:57 AM »
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The B&O boxcar is based on an 1944 AAR prototype, better suited for the Deluxe Innovations model.  The crate load is a welcome addition though.

The black Conoco tank is welcome, although the black SHPX was a far more ubiquitous prototype.


The B&O guys are praising the car, not so much for the body style but because it is the first time they painted a B&O boxcar in the correct color. Previous B&O boxes have been boxcar red or some variant. Oxide red on this car is the correct color.

Here is more info on the car from the Brian DeVries who helped get the car done correctly.


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Thanks for the accolades, Bill. This is proof that, if you really press your case, good things can happen. Getting the car done and, most importantly, in the correct color (should match the correctly-colored Red Caboose USRA box cars of a few years back) was only the first hurdle. I was told that they wanted to offer a load and they solicited suggestions.

At first I tried to talk them out of it. If you think about it, a car with a load in it, along the road, would always have the door closed and sealed - the only time that you'd see a car with the door open would be as an empty. The only time you would see the load would be at the loading dock and, in most cases, that would be facing a building and, perhaps, under a canopy or roof overhang. When I tried to press my point, feeling it would only drive up the price unnecessarily, I was informed that it was a(n M-T) marketing decision and there WOULD be a load. With that decision already made, I suggested a two-sided load - one that would look different form either side of the car - and asked them to consider an L-C-L (less than carload) look with assorted crates, barrels, drums, etc. While they were giving this some thought, I encountered another M-T box car with a load (October release?) in a hobby shop and was appalled at the chintzy (sp) look with it all molded in the same color. I appealed to M-T to upgrade the quality of their loads so it was worthy of the wonderful cars that they produce. They have, in fact, done MUCH better with this one. Take a look at:

http://www.nscalesupply.com/MTL/MTL-02000826.html

These cars were the backbone of the post-war B&O box-car production. It was these cars which were, later, repainted into the blue and silver Sentinel service paint scheme (a little over 100 of the 1,000 cars in this sub-class). Although the tooling isn't perfect (the M-T tooling is for a 10'6" PS1-type car and the B&O's M-55 and M-67 series cars were all 10'0" high because of some tunnel clearances), we're not likely to get someone to tool up a car nearly unique to the B&O. For the folks looking for a general-purpose box car which isn't a lower USRA-type (the B&O had some 12,000 of those as I recall) or a wagon-top design, this is the car that you want. And now, if you want to simulate an L-C-L load enroute to a freight house somewhere, you have but to open the door...

Happy Holidays!

Brian DeVries
« Last Edit: November 26, 2009, 12:12:22 PM by SkipGear »
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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2009, 12:17:24 PM »
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Didn't B&O have 1945 PS-1 boxcars?  I could understand if B&O had no PS-1 boxcars.  But it makes little sense to release a scheme of another class when there is a prototype for the class you do have - which easily could have been painted the proper B&O color.
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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 12:18:18 PM »
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Damn Dave, I'm on the fence about the CV boxcar, but I just gotta get me a typhoon 2  ;D

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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 12:41:29 PM »
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More force-feed loads ...  ::)

Fortunately I don't need any of this month's releases.

Mark


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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 12:57:24 PM »
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The UP caboose looks like Joe was able to lower it.

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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 02:11:35 PM »
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Didn't B&O have 1945 PS-1 boxcars?  I could understand if B&O had no PS-1 boxcars.  But it makes little sense to release a scheme of another class when there is a prototype for the class you do have - which easily could have been painted the proper B&O color.


Yes, the DI would be nice, IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY SHIP THEM!!! They have a similar car in the line up, I have had a dozen of them on order for more than 2 years now.

I'm thinking no on B&O having true PS-1's early on but I am doing more research so I don't want to say anything definiatively. There have been a lot of PS-1's painted as M-55's but that doesn't mean they are correct. B&O was big on unique equipment with low clearances for tunnels in the 40's and 50's.
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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 02:35:11 PM »
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The list I have doesn't show B&O for PS-1's, 1944 aar (DI car), or the 1937 cars from IMR. This list is by now way complete, but I would expect the B&O numbers to be known.


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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2009, 03:30:25 PM »
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The list I have doesn't show B&O for PS-1's, 1944 aar (DI car), or the 1937 cars from IMR. This list is by now way complete, but I would expect the B&O numbers to be known.


Jason

The B&O's 1944 cars could have been built by PS but I'm pretty sure the proprietary PS-1's (MT model) didn't get invented until 1947. Santa Fe and NH come to mind as some of the first owners.


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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 10:16:14 PM »
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The B&O's 1944 cars could have been built by PS but I'm pretty sure the proprietary PS-1's (MT model) didn't get invented until 1947. Santa Fe and NH come to mind as some of the first owners.

Lehigh Valley was the first road to own the 1944 PS-1 I believe.  NH definitely was an early buyer.

PS did build boxcars to AAR specifications prior to the introduction of the PS-1.  New Haven had some built by PS to the 1937 AAR specs.  MTL's blurb specifies these are based on 1944 AAR prototypes, so it's possible the PS built them and yet the DI model is a more accurate representation of the prototype.

If B&O never owned any PS-1 boxcars, then the choice is more understandable.  But if the road did own PS-1 boxcars, the MTL offering of a model based on the 1944 AAR prototype makes little sense.
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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2009, 10:43:19 PM »
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Lehigh Valley was the first road to own the 1944 PS-1 I believe.  NH definitely was an early buyer.



Well there was no '44 PS-1 since it didn't go into production until '47.  And the early buyers have a good starting point with the MTL car, but it still need to be modified.  It looks like sometime between March and April of '48 the design was changed to what the MT car represents.


edit:  The list I have does show LV as the first road by build date. Followed by the CGW and then the B&M.


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Re: December Micro Trains...
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2009, 11:12:06 PM »
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B&O most certainly did own PS-1's.

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bo470930.jpg

They also had ones with 6' doors as well.
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