L&HR construction pending...

[Ryan87]

Don't put staging in front.  That would make it less than hidden.
You can still fiddle with the staged trains over on the left and or right sides at the staging throats..
Lee

...or through the door?

[DKS]

it might work better is the staging was in front of the yard... this way i could fiddle while a train takes a lap...

Don't put staging in front.  That would make it less than hidden.
You can still fiddle with the staged trains over on the left and or right sides at the staging throats..

Agreed.

While it might offer a level of convenience, I think it would be quite a distracting eyesore. Plus, the grades would start to get really ugly. You thought the grades were bad for your previous lower deck design...

[asciibaron]

Don't put staging in front.  That would make it less than hidden.
You can still fiddle with the staged trains over on the left and or right sides at the staging throats..

the staging will be several inches lower and everything will be painted black.  it will be obvious to look at and operationally that it is separate.  operations is the key.

it's not like i'm going to stick with this much longer, i've been eyeing up the WM and have a great plan for Hagerstown yard that i think i can modify to fit my space  

i have been reading up on the Clinchfield as well...

[DKS]

Don't put staging in front.  That would make it less than hidden.
You can still fiddle with the staged trains over on the left and or right sides at the staging throats..

the staging will be several inches lower and everything will be painted black.  it will be obvious to look at and operationally that it is separate.  operations is the key.

"several inches lower." Uh-huh. Figuring on an 8% grade?

The sketch I drew requires the staging yard line to drop ~1 inch from the Franklin siding to the back corners of the layout, and the mainline to rise ~1 inch for the same corresponding locations.

Ruling grades are the key.

[asciibaron]

here's a mockup...



i've worked it out to a 3% down grade if the Warwick yard is raised up 1 inch.

[DKS]

here's a mockup...



i've worked it out to a 3% down grade if the Warwick yard is raised up 1 inch.

Yes, but look at the areas that are now being covered--the throats, just were you need the most visibility.

Visibility is the key.

[wm3798]

Then build it... I double DOG dare you!

Scut Farkas

[asciibaron]

and actually, i wouldn't need the yard at Warwick - i could make that a 6" wide section with an industry against the wall...

[asciibaron]

Yes, but look at the areas that are now being covered--the throats, just were you need the most visibility.

Visibility is the key.

i understand that, that's why it's a representation, not a scale drawing

[DKS]

Yes, but look at the areas that are now being covered--the throats, just were you need the most visibility.

Visibility is the key.

i understand that, that's why it's a representation, not a scale drawing

OK, then, let's see a scale drawing.

[asciibaron]

OK, then, let's see a scale drawing.

i don't have software on this computer to do it, nor do i have a template for the new Atlas 21.5/15 curved turnout.  if you omit Warwick and move the Harris Pine Mill to along the back wall, that opens up the throat.

[asciibaron]

...or through the door?

that's an excellent point.  the upper door would allow access to the staging yard - i could put up a short divider, maybe 6 inches high, for visual separation.  i would probably curve the Harris pine mill track to open up the throat and just extend the divider around the curve and have it taper down to 2 inches or so.

Ryan, you're a genius.

but there still is the fact the staging access from the main ruins the look of Franklin...  if only there was a way to get a double loop without massive grades or the feeling of already going through that section.

so i guess that may mean ditching the stub yard at Warwark and replacing it with a double ended affair  and calling it Hudson Yard...

[DKS]

OK, then, let's see a scale drawing.

if you omit Warwick...

...then I'd put the staging yard across the back in its place, on the same level as everything else, with just a scenic divider. There... no grades, and you can split the lines off beyond the Franklin siding, and fix that problem too.

...or through the door?

that's an excellent point... Ryan, you're a genius.

Why do I get a strange sense of deja vu?

[asciibaron]

...then I'd put the staging yard across the back in its place, on the same level as everything else, with just a scenic divider. There... no grades, and you can split the lines off beyond the Franklin siding, and fix that problem too.

i do not follow - drawing please.  i'm a visual learner.

[asciibaron]

how about this...