Walther's 10-6 corrigated side cars

[Bob Bufkin]

For those of you who haven't seen them yet.  The Walther's  10-6 passenger cars has some new road names:

ACL
CN
L&N
PRR
Southern.

[jmlaboda - RIP]

Finally some accurate (hopefully) roadnames.

[Walkercolt]

Heard some complaints(of course) about the window arrangements for some roads, but honestly, I know absolutely nothing about the roads they come in, so I can't say what's "right". Passenger cars are almost as bad as cabeese as being "road specific". It's impossible to make a passenger car that's correct for more than a few roads at best. It's a very imperfect world we live in.

[asarge]

Well I sure like my C&O Smoothsides.

The L&N's Corrugated were specifically bought to cover the L&N Contribution to the Crescent pool. They only ever had 2 of that car.

[al1218]

Guess I'll have to get a Pennsy car and reletter it for N&W. Oops, Walthers did the late Pennsy with the single below window stripe....@#$$%^^&&&!!! The N&W had three cars for Pennsy pool service.....but they had 16 smooth-side Budd sleepers.....hint, hint Kato (you need to do the PRR 10-6 as an add-on to the Broadway).

[Puddington]

The CN car "may" be correct - I have two photographs that contradict each other about the car in question - nevertheless they look nice.

I vented and repented (sort of) in this thread.....http://therailwire.net/smf/index.php/topic,17347.0.html

[Mark5]

Guess I'll have to get a Pennsy car and reletter it for N&W. Oops, Walthers did the late Pennsy with the single below window stripe....@#$$%^^&&&!!! The N&W had three cars for Pennsy pool service.....but they had 16 smooth-side Budd sleepers.....hint, hint Kato (you need to do the PRR 10-6 as an add-on to the Broadway).

They had 20 budd 10-6 sleepers.

N&W used a different red than PRR anyway (N&W used it before PRR ever owned any stock).

I'm almost glad Walthers spurned N&W, they probably would have gotten N&W red REALLY wrong anyway.

Mark

[al1218]

Guess I'll have to get a Pennsy car and reletter it for N&W. Oops, Walthers did the late Pennsy with the single below window stripe....@#$$%^^&&&!!! The N&W had three cars for Pennsy pool service.....but they had 16 smooth-side Budd sleepers.....hint, hint Kato (you need to do the PRR 10-6 as an add-on to the Broadway).

They had 20 budd 10-6 sleepers.

N&W used a different red than PRR anyway (N&W used it before PRR ever owned any stock).

I'm almost glad Walthers spurned N&W, they probably would have gotten N&W red REALLY wrong anyway.



Mark

Mark,

You're right, I took the number of Budds as a guess from memory.

The N&W tuscan was somewhat redder than the PRR tuscan (has more brown) and if you really want to start a firestorm on the proper shade of N&W tuscan, just ask the question over on the N&WHS forum.....better duck and cover. Seriously, the tuscan could vary by several shades in a single consist. As I understand, no two batches of paint would be exactly identical (depending on a number of factors such as suppliers, etc.). Then around 1955, the basic color had a major shift in hue with the newer paint slightly darker and this was the time when the lettering and striping went from a gold leaf to a yellow (forget the exact name of the color). Also, if you look at a pre-war PS coach and then one of the Powhatan Arrow coaches, there appears to be a difference in color. You're right, Walthers would probably have gotten it all wrong!

Now if only Atlas would do a proper GP9 Redbird!

[Mark5]

Now if only Atlas would do a proper GP9 Redbird!

I doubt if we'll ever see it, as N&W's redbirds have a unique fuel tank set up.

Since you mentioned the Budds, Kato's Broadway add-on set has a pair of Budd sleepers that make good stand ins for N&W's Budd 10-6s (just don't look too closely inside the windows!)

Mark

[al1218]

Now if only Atlas would do a proper GP9 Redbird!

I doubt if we'll ever see it, as N&W's redbirds have a unique fuel tank set up.

Since you mentioned the Budds, Kato's Broadway add-on set has a pair of Budd sleepers that make good stand ins for N&W's Budd 10-6s (just don't look too closely inside the windows!)

Mark

Mark,
I guess you could take that Kato 22-roomette sleeper and somehow remove the windows and splice in the windows from one of their original Budd 10-6 sleepers (not the CZ ones). Hmmmm, has anyone done the brass car sides for a PRR Budd 10-6?

As far as the GP9 goes, I believe the fuel tank/air reservoir arrangement is very close to the GP20 set-up. I was told by an Atlas rep several years ago that it'd be a cold day in.....before they'd do a hi-hood C628 or C630, so I'm sure that applies to any other original N&W hi-hood unit as well.

[Mark5]

Allen, the windows on the Kato Budd are close enough for me (I never thought anything close would ever come to N scale!)

As shown in this lousy pic on Kato's site (the top two cars):



N&W budds:

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2695.jpeg

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/NS2700.jpeg
Dig the fluted roofs!

I probably could fill a couple windows and get dang close - I might just do that.

We finally got Atlas to run GP9's in N&W a few years ago (the 1971 scheme). Still would like to see the 1963 and 1966 scheme as well as the 1958 scheme (some might want the 1955 scheme too).

The next hi-nose from Atlas (I'm hoping) will be:




Mark

[al1218]

Mark,
I'm sure you're aware that the N&W Budds went to the PRR and were converted into commuter coaches in the early 60's. The PRR 22-roomette sleepers also met the same fate. They weren't fun cars to ride, especially if you got one of the windowless seats. But then, I'm an Alcohaulic with a taste for Budd-Lites.

[Bob Bufkin]

Mark.

Some of those cars wound up being used by MARC.  I also understand that some of them became PRR again (Panama Railroad) that is.  Also believe some became commuter cars on NJT.

[wm3798]

We've got two of them hiding over here on the Shore... They belong to the town of Hurlock, they use them during their fall festival for a little excursion to Federalsburg and back.


They're still in their N&W livery, leftover from 611 excursions, I believe.

Lee

[Mark5]

Mark,
I'm sure you're aware that the N&W Budds went to the PRR and were converted into commuter coaches in the early 60's. The PRR 22-roomette sleepers also met the same fate. They weren't fun cars to ride, especially if you got one of the windowless seats. But then, I'm an Alcohaulic with a taste for Budd-Lites.

All 20 were sold to PRR about 1964. PRR converted them to coaches and yes some ended up on MARC (I rode in some of them).