EP&GL - layout planning (round freight station)

[timwatson]

I've been doing some research on some NYC prototypes and I found the Harlem transfer terminal. I wrote a blog post about it on my site. http://nscalerail.com/ep-and-gl/layout-progress-trackplanning-full-size

My question is: I've exhausted the usual digital suspects (Google etc.) and I am hoping someone out there has seen the round freight station that goes with the terminal. I really know a descent amount about it (size shape etc.) but I don't know how it looked. If it were brick or wood framed or really anything aesthetic.

Edit: Should have read a little better on the BEDT trainweb site. It WAS a brick structure. So there is that - still have no idea on how it looked.

Any help or places you can point me in is greatly appreciated.

Tim Watson
http://nscalerail.com

[Chris333]

Shoot me a PM with your e-mail.  I have everything I could find about that place. 

The "round house" was wood early on and painted dark green. Later it was concrete block.

[Chris333]

Might as well post here. 
Original wood building:


In 1957 it was rebuilt with concrete block and brick:


This photo shows the older dark green house:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht214.jpg

and here is the exact same spot with the new house:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht215.jpg

The round water side was concrete block and the flat street side was brick.
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht534.jpg
Close up of one of the loading bays:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ht536.jpg

Also when the new house was built the trackwork around it was also changed. There was no longer a double track all the way around the building. I can e-mail you plans of the newer building that also shows the track changes.

[timwatson]

Chris yet again you come to my modeling rescue! Dude thanks so much. I am glad we have the same modeling interests. Sending PM now.

[Philip H]

Tim Warris, owner of Fast Tracks, modeled it in HO:

http://www.bronx-terminal.com/

[timwatson]

Believe it or not Phil that is a DIFFERENT round freight house. These 2 terminals were only 1 block apart from one another. The Central NJ built their freight house based off of the Harlem one (the CNJ one is the one Tim Warris has modeled - to an amazing degree I might add). I guess this one is the arch enemy of CNJ round freighthouse terminals.

[timwatson]

Suffice it to say Chris333 is the MAN!

My oh my. Chris you made this portion of my model railroad possible right there. I will compile the information and post some of the goodies here and on my blog. It's going to take me many days just to process it all. Wow.

[Chris333]

Hey I use the same internet as everyone else. 

[timwatson]

Right ..... except "you know people" who "know people" who "know stuff" ....

[conrail98]

Tim,

Is this the DL&W freight one? I just got my hands on MRP 2007 and they have an entire article on this terminal using a sheet of plywood with some good information, including a scaled print out of the track arrangement. If it is the same one, thought I'd let you know about the article, if not, just ignore,

Phil

[timwatson]

Thanks Phil yup it's one and the same actually. I haven't seen the article but Chris told me about it. So far I have a pretty good plan of what it looked like in 1936 or so and that's the one I will probably go with. If you get a chance and want to scan them in I'd be happy to compare them. Maybe have a collected Harlem transfer thread.

[Chris333]

It is one of the older plan with the carfloat on the "other" side. BTW the carfloat and bridge was moved so they could dig for a subway line.