Fun with Foobies...defending the not quite right

[OldEastRR]

OK, maybe this is just about turning Kato cars into P70s but I thought the PRR did have some smoothside coaches they bought from the UP and repainted. Ones just like the Kato coach.

[apudelek]

OK, maybe this is just about turning Kato cars into P70s but I thought the PRR did have some smoothside coaches they bought from the UP and repainted. Ones just like the Kato coach.

Not that I am aware of and I have found no examples of this after a search.  However, the CNJ bought a bunch of similar smoothside coaches from the GN in the 1970s to shore up their commuter service roster.  Most of these remained in Empire Builder Orange and Green or Big Sky Blue for a significant amount of time while in CNJ commuter service.  Hence the "Jersey Builder" nickname.  I think they were later painted black. 

[nkalanaga]

The CNJ cars also came in BN green and white, with either GN or BN lettering.  These were the original BN "hockey stick" scheme, but the CNJ shops painted out the angled portion and extended the white stripe to the end.  Looking at pictures, they did a very good job of it, with many showing little evidence of the painted-over stripe or names/heralds.

[OldEastRR]

Not that I am aware of and I have found no examples of this after a search.  However, the CNJ bought a bunch of similar smoothside coaches from the GN in the 1970s to shore up their commuter service roster.  Most of these remained in Empire Builder Orange and Green or Big Sky Blue for a significant amount of time while in CNJ commuter service.  Hence the "Jersey Builder" nickname.  I think they were later painted black.

Check your PRR/UP references again.

[Dave V]

As it happens, I'm awash in a sea of Pennsy passenger equipment already...and will be pre-ordering the new BLI PB70 and Z74D. I still have a pair of Centralia P85brs, a host of P70s, Pullmans, front-end cars, and a full Fleet of Modernism train. And I went ahead and bought back a 10-car Kato Broadway Limited set. Because of course I did. That set screams for a pair of BLI E8s, the funding for which will be obtained through more excess HOn3 liquidation.

I tend to over-do things I guess.

Those Kato kitbashes are really sweet, but until I have a basement-filling 4-track main, I should probably admire from afar rather than follow suit.

[nkalanaga]

The GN bought 10 (some sources say 11) 44-seat coaches from the Union Pacific in 1969, and painted the Big Sky Blue.  At least one ended up in BN green, and they ran in Amtrak service in the early 70s.

[chessie system fan]

OK, maybe this is just about turning Kato cars into P70s but I thought the PRR did have some smoothside coaches they bought from the UP and repainted. Ones just like the Kato coach.

That was Penn Central.

[Dave V]

OK, that rider coach that came with the set is now a PRR P70fR, made by modifying an MTL heavyweight with Keystone Details balloon roof and 2D-P5 trucks:



I'm also in the process of painting a butt-ton of Keystone Details baggage car doors to modify the MTL baggage cars to look more like PRR B70s.

[jargonlet]

Late last year I was working on this car since the Hellgate Models BM70k aren’t available and rarely come up for sale. I’ve been sick most of the year and finally got a modified MTL to this point. Added free standing grabs, b70 etched doors from Keystine details and some brass etchings and it makes a respectable stand in. Still need to paint and add stirrups but I’m not sure when that will happen.

[Lemosteam]

Late last year I was working on this car since the Hellgate Models BM70k aren’t available and rarely come up for sale. I’ve been sick most of the year and finally got a modified MTL to this point. Added free standing grabs, b70 etched doors from Keystine details and some brass etchings and it makes a respectable stand in. Still need to paint and add stirrups but I’m not sure when that will happen.

Great job!! 

[apudelek]

Gents, I know we have discussed color-matching PRR Tuscan on TRW ad nauseum... However...  With MTL now owned by Atlas, the amount of PRR passenger equipment produced by MTL, and @Lemosteam 's new porthole door kits for the Baggage and Baggage-Mail cars, maybe we revisit this topic?

I know a number of you have MTL Tuscan that you ordered from the company at some point, but with the likelihood of obtaining that paint being slim-to-none, I'm wondering what everyone thinks is a decent match to the MTL varnish these days.

If I buy some porthole doors, I don't want them to stand out once installed...  Proper weathering would be a solution, but I have no cars weathered and I feel that I have a long list of projects to work on before I start that process.

Michael Buhrer mentioned several years ago on the PRR N Scale facebook group that he had great success in matching MTL Tuscan with a particular red European spray primer, but I doubt that it's available in the States.

[Ed Kapuscinski]

I spent some time cleaning up a car that I've had forever: adding COTS, ACI labels, a silver roof and a little weathering.

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[NSEGeorge]

It is a good idea to research the colors to match, but it is important to note that if you are going to send it to a manufacturer, it has to be in a color reference that matches either Pantone or RAL standards. When MTL was in the US, they were able to buy color from a model paint company. None of the overseas production facilities have that option, so using a color designator that they can decifer is essential.

There are several online resources to convert RGB or CMYK colors to the common manufacturing standards, but they don't work with model color references.

Gents, I know we have discussed color-matching PRR Tuscan on TRW ad nauseum... However...  With MTL now owned by Atlas, the amount of PRR passenger equipment produced by MTL, and @Lemosteam 's new porthole door kits for the Baggage and Baggage-Mail cars, maybe we revisit this topic?

I know a number of you have MTL Tuscan that you ordered from the company at some point, but with the likelihood of obtaining that paint being slim-to-none, I'm wondering what everyone thinks is a decent match to the MTL varnish these days.

If I buy some porthole doors, I don't want them to stand out once installed...  Proper weathering would be a solution, but I have no cars weathered and I feel that I have a long list of projects to work on before I start that process.

Michael Buhrer mentioned several years ago on the PRR N Scale facebook group that he had great success in matching MTL Tuscan with a particular red European spray primer, but I doubt that it's available in the States.

[Lemosteam]

It is a good idea to research the colors to match, but it is important to note that if you are going to send it to a manufacturer, it has to be in a color reference that matches either Pantone or RAL standards. When MTL was in the US, they were able to buy color from a model paint company. None of the overseas production facilities have that option, so using a color designator that they can decifer is essential.

There are several online resources to convert RGB or CMYK colors to the common manufacturing standards, but they don't work with model color references.

It’s not about trying to match prototype. It’s about matching existing product, and since we don’t know what the manufacturers use, we have to fend for ourselves.

Last year, I had a poll here asking if folks would buy the same paint that the manufacturers used, and the results were obvious that many would, to the tune of almost 90%. They only needed to package and sell the excess paint they use in some small containers. It’s a missed profit opportunity for them, IMHO.

[rail_nut]

My experience with being given a pantone colour, by a client, to use to get an actual product to paint their railcar took quite a few iterations. RAL, I was told would have been easier. I haven't had the chance to see.
Pantone is ink not paint.