Re: Weekend Update 4/26/26

[pmpexpress]

Trying to design a 1960's Wagner L60 log stacker that can pick up and move a complete semi load of logs.  These are big machines with the front tires over 6.5 ft in diameter.  I haven't been able to find more than a couple pictures to work off of and the L60 had a number of variations those first few years of production.  Still in production today but quite a bit different in regards to hydraulic cylinders and other items.

Also  close to the final wiring of the rotary snow plow I started some time ago and building fence to keep the deer from eating all of Dottie's flowers.

Sumner

Sumner,

As the chassis of the Wagner L60 Logstacker was the same as the Wagner PC60 Piggy-Packer, wouldn't it be easier to simply create a 3D printed log grapple that could be fitted to one of the pewter and etched brass craftsman N Scale of Nevada NSN 07:99 PC-60 Piggy Packer kits?

[pmpexpress]

If you design an L60, I'll take 2.  I've been hoping that Wheels of Time would do the log loader version of their Piggy Packer, but it looks like that will never happen.

Replacing the PC-70, the prototype FWD Wagner / Raygo Wagner PC-90 Piggy-Packer that Wheels of Time based their model upon was introduced in 1968.

The factory assembled injection molded plastic Wheels of Time models would be great candidates for LC-90 conversions that utilized a custom made 3D printed log grapple.

[Sumner]

Sumner,

As the chassis of the Wagner L60 Logstacker was the same as the Wagner PC60 Piggy-Packer, wouldn't it be easier to simply create a 3D printed log grapple that could be fitted to one of the pewter and etched brass craftsman N Scale of Nevada NSN 07:99 PC-60 Piggy Packer kits?

Probably but I'm close to done with the part that I could use if I went that route and then I'd have to purchase one vs. printing one for a couple dollars  and miss out on all of the fun I had designing to this point  .  As I've mentioned before, now in my 80's close is close enough for most things on the layout now.

Thanks for the pictures as those will help with what I have so far and I've found more of the real thing by now knowing about the PC60 Piggy-Packer.

From what I can find...
 

 
... the 1960's L60 had a central hydraulic cylinder to move the front carriage. After that they went to the twin hydraulic cylinders on all models as shown above. That probably made the center main truss less complicated and easier to build and possibly more range control over the carriage for the logs.

I found a picture that was labeled 1968 L70 and it doesn't have the duel hydraulic cylinders only the single center one for the log carriage.  The picture might be wrong or since they were making changes quite rapidly at that time just been a different version of the L70.  It also has exposed hydraulics controlling the rear steering wheels and the L60's seem to have that hidden under the rear sheet metal.  I like that detail so might make my L60 into an L70 but really don't care that much if I get it correct or not.
 
Sumner

[rail_nut]

Did you try contacting the company.
In the late 70's I could get multiple views of equipment from supplier provided specification sheets.
Also got dimensional details more recently to be able to design how to move large equipment.
Only had to sign an NDA once.
Might not be required if you say you're building a model.
Maybe offer them one in trade for the info.

[daniel_leavitt2000]

Trying to design a 1960's Wagner L60 log stacker that can pick up and move a complete semi load of logs.  These are big machines with the front tires over 6.5 ft in diameter.  I haven't been able to find more than a couple pictures to work off of and the L60 had a number of variations those first few years of production.  Still in production today but quite a bit different in regards to hydraulic cylinders and other items.

Also  close to the final wiring of the rotary snow plow I started some time ago and building fence to keep the deer from eating all of Dottie's flowers.

Sumner

I really wish soneone would tackle the LeTourneau log stacker. It is very similar to their Letroporter container stacker. These were used on the Boston line for all of Conail's existance.
Log Stacker:
https://www.vannattabros.com/20073rd/letou3.jpg
Letroporter:
https://www.alaskarails.org/fp/letroporter/PD-letroporter-2.jpg

[Sumner]

I really wish soneone would tackle the LeTourneau log stacker. It is very similar to their Letroporter container stacker. These were used on the Boston line for all of Conail's existance.
Log Stacker:
https://www.vannattabros.com/20073rd/letou3.jpg
Letroporter:
https://www.alaskarails.org/fp/letroporter/PD-letroporter-2.jpg

I looked at them but felt for me they would take more time to design and also a lot of my sawmill is modeled/inspired by the Hull-Oakes mill and they have used Wagner  logstackers over the years including the L60.  Talking to the owner recently they moved away from the L60 as it was a little light for the job and would tilt onto its nose if overloaded.

Older pictures of the mill show a L60 next to a large A-frame that was used prior to the purchase of the L60 to off-load logs into the mill pond.  For a while the A-frame was used to raise and put the back axles of the trailer onto the tractor part of the semi.

Sumner

[samusi01]

I've had this trio sitting on the layout for about three years... eventually I'll get the enthusiasm to fix the early one (the one with the log forks: the front axle is too narrow) and upload them.

[nkalanaga]

I'm afraid printing my own isn't an option.  I don't have anyplace to put the printer, doubt that there's anywhere in my area where I could use one, and wouldn't know how to do it if I had one.  Like you, I'm getting old.  I'd be quite happy to pay you to print me one.

[pmpexpress]

I've had this trio sitting on the layout for about three years... eventually I'll get the enthusiasm to fix the early one (the one with the log forks: the front axle is too narrow) and upload them.

Very nice.

After I've gotten my 3D printers set up, would like to try to print your trio.

[rail_nut]

Found a WAGNER L60 User Manual by searching "Wagner L60 Specification Sheet".
Has good side views in different operating positions
Some views detailed down to cotter pins, nuts and bolts.
Tried to upload photo and a pdf of the page 4-5-1 without success.

[Sumner]

Nice, do you know about what year L60 it is for?  A link??

Sumner

[Sumner]

Found a WAGNER L60 User Manual by searching "Wagner L60 Specification Sheet".
Has good side views in different operating positions
Some views detailed down to cotter pins, nuts and bolts.
Tried to upload photo and a pdf of the page 4-5-1 without success.

Is it this one...

https://www.alliedsystems.com/pdf/Wagner/Forms/85/85-576.pdf

If so that isn't the same as a '60's.  Thanks for looking.

Sumner

[pmpexpress]

Is it this one...

https://www.alliedsystems.com/pdf/Wagner/Forms/85/85-576.pdf

If so that isn't the same as a '60's.  Thanks for looking.

Sumner

If that is indeed is the proper link, the photos and specifications are for a circa 2022 L60.

As L60 refers to the 60,000 pound capacity of that particular model of Wagner Logstacker, one has to be very careful when searching for information related to a specific generation of machines.

Presumably a 30,000 pound capacity model, below you will find a black and white photo of United States Plywood FWD Wagner Lumber Jack LJ3-30 in Roseburg, Oregon in the 1960s.



Sumner, completely forgot about the March 2013 Railwire thread where several of us were discussing Wagner log loader models.

Having previously left some information about the various eras of "Lumber Jacks", you might find some useful information in the aforementioned thread.

[Sumner]

......Sumner, completely forgot about the March 2013 Railwire thread where several of us were discussing Wagner log loader models.

Having previously left some information about the various eras of "Lumber Jacks", you might find some useful information in the aforementioned thread.

I was nowhere to be found on here in 2013, was sailing and modifying sailboats then  .

Thanks for the link.   I've seen 90% of what is in it, including the LJ 3- 30 above, but hadn't seen the model in the video.  Very nice work Nils, mine won't be near as nice 

Sumner

[Iain]

I bought a few hoppers today, specifically an original Norfolk Southern Ry. open hopper and a Seaboard Coast Line wood chip hopper.  I’m currently waiting for the black art sand “coal” load and the sawdust “wood chip hopper” load for these hoppers, respectively, to dry.  In the meantime, the NS has already hauled the empty hopper back toward Star, N.C.



More on The Carolina Sandhills Lines thread in the Layout Engineering forum.

DFF

That ns hopper probably would have been carrying sand.