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Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« on: April 08, 2026, 04:21:26 PM »
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I've deeply appreciated @John 's help with my PRR T-TRAK project, including 3D printed models of Huntingdon's PRR depot and interlocking tower. And I've really enjoyed working with @Lemosteam 's Keystone Details.

Being computer-savvy (at least in terms of coding), I don't know why I've been so reluctant to get involved in 3D printing. The stopper has always been the design process. Which software? How to use it? And so forth.

I want to model this:

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I know I should probably design some simpler things first, and that's fine... A PRR standard elevated crossing gate shanty perhaps. Or even simpler. But eventually I'd like to crank out things like this whenever the need arrises.

Please treat me as a complete neophyte and help me get started. Layman's language...assume nothing! Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2026, 04:31:08 PM »
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I don't have plans for the tower but I do have photos from every side.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2026, 04:36:42 PM »
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Tinkercad for design. Printers are a matter of preference but my old Anycubic 4k mono was great.  I now have a bigger Elegoo printer because most of my modeling is printing so the speed and capacity are worth the cost of a larger printer.

For me, this has changed the game. Instead of hoping someone will manufacturer something I want, I now can produce it in house, usually at a fraction of the cost.

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2026, 04:40:11 PM »
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BTW the tower would be an easy design.  Everything is rectilinear and repetitive.  I could do that 8n Tinkercad in a day of work.

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2026, 05:12:49 PM »
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Fusion360 has a free license for modelers, Solidworks has a $48 a year Makers license. 

If you want to mess around with it, I have a old (first gen?) Mono you can use.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2026, 04:30:05 AM »
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@Dave V - Dave, now's a good time to get into 3D resin printing as the bugs have been worked out of printer mechanicals, the resins, the slicer apps and the 3D modeling apps...and the prices are very reasonable also.

Although several of the TRW members are going with smaller 7" DLP machines, I've found that modern, high resolution 10" LED/MSLA machines are a very practical way to go and allow easy placement of larger items such as structures, passenger cars, etc, with ultimate resolution that allows ultra-fine details, such as wood grain, rivet/nut&bolt details, and will also print excellent curved surfaces with barely visible layer lines...or, in some cases, no visible layer lines...which is great for things like passenger car roofs, horn bells, sand domes, cab roofs, etc. Most modern higher-end machines have an anti-aliasing algorithm that produces smooth curved surface.  (I won't get into anti-aliasing in this post).

Most of today's 3D resin printers will give you excellent results, even the most basic models.  However, there are some "bells & whistles" on modern machines that make 3D printing easier, more reliable (fewer print failures) faster and less complicated, and able to be connected to your home wireless network if you want.

I don't recommend starting out with a basic, small printer especially for dedicated modelers such as yourself.  A highly capable 3D resin printer is going to open up a whole new world as far as your modeling accuracy is concerned, making dependence on manufacturers' models to fit your road, era, location completely irrelevant, since you'll be able to just do it yourself...at a fraction of the cost and with much (much) better scale fidelity.

So, the printer I've been recommending to several N-scale modelers for about a year and a half is the Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra 16K, and they've been totally happy with it, one even buying a second machine to speed things up with his basement-filling-double-decked RGS in Nn3.

Although I don't think that a high resolution of 24µm which the Elegoo 16K machine has, is necessary for fine N-scale details (my "small" 10" printer has a resolution of 28.5µm and I'm perfectly happy with the minuscule details it produces), it's nice to have the finer resolution when resin technology catches up and can actually use such fine resolution.  However, it's the "bells & whistles" on this machine that make it kinda perfect for a beginner, as well as for an advanced 3D modeler, so once you get familiar with 3D printing, you won't be wishing you'd have spent the extra money for a more capable machine.

What makes the Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra 16K machine good for beginners is the "tilt release" technology, which makes setup when slicing your 3D models half as complicated.  Take my word for it.  This also makes the machine faster, which isn't all that important to me, but, for it IS nice to wait less for your prints to finish up.  No other company offers this "tilt release" technology, but, it's been on the market for a while and is now a proven technology.

One of the things that's really important for successful, detailed resin prints, is the temperature of the resin.  It's got to be a few degrees hotter than room temperature to be fully capable, and this machine has an integral resin vat heater, keeping the resin at 30C (85F), which is something my "big" Anycubic Photon Mono M7 Max printer has and I love it.

This machine also has a full array of sensors that will detect such things as print failure, hardened residue, low resin volume and leveling failure...and will stop your print to prevent damage, and/or resin wastage.  If the power goes out, it will also allow you to start right back up where the print left off when the power comes back on.

Elegoo claims that the build plate is "self-leveling" but actually it is just spring loaded, but is rtr out-of-the-box.

Other feature include a built-in camera for stop motion videos of your print if you want...it also monitors the print for empty-build-plate failures and warped prints...with its own little built-in light, also a typical laser-etched build-plate surface, overheating detection to protect the innards of the machine, ability to vary the exposure timing in various sections of the build plate if necessary, advanced PFA release film for faster printing, and for use with the tilt-release system, a separate dedicated drip tray to keep resin out of the guts of the tilt-release mechanism, also a tempered glass LCD protector...and more.

Price right now is discounted to $499...while not cheap, is not expensive considering the top-of-the-line features and build quality.  I paid $699 for my 10" machine two and a half years ago, and around the same price for my 13.6" Anycubic machine a year ago.

Printing is only a portion of the 3D resin-printing experience.  The resin prints when they come out of the printer, are only partially cured and need cleaning and curing before they're finished.  To do this quickly, cleanly and accurately, a machine that does both washing and curing is a good idea to have.  Elegoo, when you buy your printer, offers bundles that include their wash and cure machine(s).  I would recommend their largest wash & cure machine, the Mercury Plus V3 for a bundle price of $579 for both, a $70 savings over buying them separately with their individual discounts.

There are parts to any LCD or MSLA printers that get used up after printing a lot of models.  These are the release film on the bottom of the resin tank...which must be replaced after around 45,000 releases.  So, buying a package of ten replacement PFA film sheets should be done and included in the bundle for extra 5% savings.  This will add $57 to the bundle price.

Okay, another consumable item would be the LCD screen itself, which has a life usually between 1000 and 2000 hours of "on-time"...meaning the time the LDC is actually working, not how long the printer is turned on.  Although it is a good idea to have a spare on hand, it wouldn't be necessary for quite a while before the old one gives out.  However, if the original lasts years, and the machine is otherwise working well, it may be nearly impossible to find a replacement screen a few years in the future.  If you feel like affording it, you can save 5% by including one in the bundle for $123.49 extra.

If you want to use a different resin, such as a clear resin, or different color etc., then it is a good idea to have an extra resin tank or two ready to take the different resin.  For this machine and it's integrally heated vat, the cost would be $50.34.

Another item that is very convenient to have is an extra build plate.  While the prints are dripping resin off-machine, with an extra build plate, you could attach it and start another print while the original build plate still has the print(s) attached to it...saving 30 to 45 minutes, or more while you let the prints drip resin, then wash them (while still attached to the build plate which is what I generally do), and then strip them off before curing.  This saves me a whole lot of time, but, I'm printing production runs, so maybe this isn't so important to you.  If you want an extra build plate, its discounted price when added to the bundle is an extra $47.50.

When you wash your prints, the uncured resin washes off into the 91% or stronger Isopropyl Alcohol, and the IPA gets cloudy with dissolved resin pretty quickly.  The answer to this problem is another wash tank, filled with much cleaner IPA...and because your prints are much cleaner from being cleaned in the first wash, the IPA in the second tank stays clean much longer than the IPA in the first tank.  When the IPA in the first tank becomes unsuitable for washing because of all the dissolved resin in it, time to dispose of the IPA in that tank and move the second tank into its place, filling the first tank that you've emptied with fresh IPA so it becomes the second wash tank.  An extra wash tank for the Mercury Plus V3.0 or $36.99 before its 5% discount for including it in the bundle.

For a 20% discount on the extra wash tank, buy an item you'll need to put under your machines, two 400mm X 300mm premium silicone mats, which the resin won't stick to and can be easily cleaned with IPA.  A package of two of these sells for $14.99 before the 20% discount.  Both the extra wash tank and the silicone mats with their 20% discounts will add $41.58 to the price.

I use, and am very happy with resin I buy from Anycubic, which will work just fine in your Elegoo machine.  Everybody I've recommended it to is happy with it and mention it's better than the previous resins they had been experimenting with for their N-scale models.  This resin is Anycubic ABS-Like Pro2 Resin.  I use both the Grey and Clear, and I am very happy with the results on my extremely fine cross-section small N-scale detail parts as well as my G-scale projects.  You'll want to purchase more than one bottle of it, and if you have the resources you can save a bunch by buying it directly from Anycubic in 3KG (or greater) batches.  I bought a 20 bottle batch last month for a discounted price per bottle of only $19.99 per bottle, vs $28.99 single bottle price.  Batch discounts start at the 3-bottle batch with a 28% discount and goes up to a 38% discount with the 20KG batch (each bottle is 1KG).  I highly recommend this resin for N-scale detailed models because of its high flowability and detail retention, as well as for larger scales due to its durability.

Before you can print anything, you need to be able to either purchase or create STL files, which is the file format your rendered 3D models will be in (there are other usable formats but I create STL files exclusively).  To create your 3D models you need an app.  Personally, I use Autodesk Fusion360, but there are other, simpler to learn apps that work just fine for creating relatively simple 3D models of N-scale objects, such as Tinkercad.  Most popular 3D apps have tutorials, both official and otherwise you can access on YouTube that will take your through beginning-to-end instructions on how to create printable STL files of your models.

My computer, which is about 8 years old, handles Fusion360 just fine, but I'm being forced to install Windows11 now that Autodesk has decided that all upgrades will only be viable in that POS OS.  Oh well, gotta do what I gotta do...

After you get your STL files created, to print them, they have to be imported into a "slicer" app.  This app requires you to input your brand of 3D printer, the resin you're gonna use, and allows you to support your models in various ways either manually or automatically...or a combination of both...assisting you by showing you where your support attachment points should be...among dozens of other options.  Once again, there are many tutorials on YouTube to teach you the how to support your models successfully.  THEN, the "slicer" app lets you "slice" your supports and your model into horizontal slices so that your 3D printer can create a 3D print.

I believe that Elegoo supplies two slicer apps with its machines, one of them being Chitibox, one of my preferred slicers, although I use LycheeSlicer...my other preferred slicer.

This is going to require a bit of computer time during the learning curve on how to use both your 3D app and your slicer app.  I've gone to using two side-by-side monitors, using one monitor to watch and pause the tutorials, while working with the app on the other monitor.  Works very well for me, and has saved me a lot of time.

After you've successfully created a sliced file for your particular printer with the resin you're using specified, upload a copy to the supplied USB flash drive your printer supplies (or upload it using your wireless network), eject the flash drive and plug it into your printer's USB port.  Going through your printer's OS, you'll see that you can choose what to print, so be sure to give your created file a name that properly identifies it.

Other items that you're going to need will be enough 91% (or stronger) IPA to fill your wash & cure's tank to a proper level, with extra to wipe down little spills or drops of resin you inevitably cannot avoid.

You'll also need a good supply of Nitrile gloves, which I wear constantly when handling anything that has uncured resin around in an open container.  I buy mine at Harbor Freight Tools for a very good price.

If the smell of the resin and alcohol bothers you, then an appropriate respirator should be worn.  If possible, vent the room your printers are in to the outside, which greatly helps get rid of the offensive fumes.  This is what I do, and I don't feel the need for a respirator.  Since I'll be 77 this year, I also don't worry about any future damage the fumes might do to me, but you may feel that you have long enough left to take precautions.

I use a lot of paper towels in the process, cleaning things with them.  Those paper towels where I wipe raw resin off of things, I will cure the resin that's on them using a UV curing flashlight I bought at Hobby Lobby, or my rechargeable flashlight with a UV function I bought at The Home Depot.  Curing the resin quickly that's on the paper towel I just used, stops the odor and keeps the wet resin from getting on things since it's now hard.

I also use microfiber clothes for cleaning sensitive areas, such as the plastic parts of my machines, LCD control panels and for wiping the release film if I need to clean my NFEP film before changing it.  Again, Harbor Freight Tools is a good source for these.

Since I don't want to be constantly cleaning everything if I get drops of resin on stuff, or IPA drips...I used cheap aluminum broiling pans where I can sit my build plate with the attached prints in it...with three half-paper towels in the bottom of it..while the parts drain.  I use another one for the IPA to drain off of after taking them out of my wash & cure's IPA tank, still attached to the build plate, often helping the IPA evaporate by using my old shop hair dryer set on medium velocity, low heat. I buy the broiling pans at my local WinCo supermarket, for about $1.90 each, and I have several in reserve.

When curing, the IPA needs to be completely gone, so I usually wait at least 30 minutes before curing, or help the evaporation along with my shop hairdryer if I'm in a hurry.  Depending on the part and its thickness, I usually cure between 2.5 minutes and 6 minutes...the thick G-scale stuff taking longer.

If the parts warp, I put them in a flat-bottomed pan and pour water that I've just boiled in...enough to cover the parts...they usually straighten right up, sometimes with a little assistance from me when they've been taken out of the hot water and put on a flat surface.  When they cool off, they remain straight surprisingly.  An easy solution to a very common problem.

Ideally, you should have a separate printing room with opaque shades on any windows.  Before I moved to my new residence, my 3D printing room was the laundry/utility room with a couple of high, narrow windows in my basement.  The nearest window's glass got replaced with piece of 2" pink foam insulation with a hole in it to retain a dryer vent, which was hooked up to my spray booth's ventilation fan, exactly adjacent to my 3D printing bench where my 3D printers were located...the fairly heavy-duty continual use fan was almost always on, sucking the stinky air outside.  My present setup is almost the same except it's in a small, spare bedroom and the single window is much larger.  I heat it in the Winter with a thermostat equipped electric space heater that's set at 75F.  In the Summer, I probably won't need the heater.

That's about it except for a link to Elegoo's site here:  https://us.elegoo.com/collections/lcd-printers/products/saturn-4-ultra-16k-10inch-monochrome-lcd-resin-3d-printer

Here's a link to the Anycubic site for the resin: https://store.anycubic.com/products/abs-like-resin-pro-2?_sasdk=dMTlkNmViMmIwOGQ0YTAtMDY1MGU4OWNjMmFmYjk0LTg1YzUwMjktMjM1OTI5Ni0xOWQ2ZWIyYjA4ZTEyODU

My apologies about any typos or grammar mistakes...I'm too tired to proofread it tonight!

Cheerio!
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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2026, 11:28:28 AM »
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I don't have plans for the tower but I do have photos from every side.

Jacks is still on my list to do .. I have some rough drawings sketched, but haven't worked on it in a while ..

That said,  unless you are going to print a fair quantity of stuff, and really want to get into the 3d design process, then consider starting small .. learn Fusion, or Tinkercad, then "contract out" the occasional print .. there is quite a bit of overhead -- and TBH, 3d printing and design can be a time suck ..

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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2026, 11:36:53 AM »
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I have almost 6 months on an Elegoo Saturn 4 16K ultra.  I don't share Robert's enthusiasm for the machine, especially for a beginner.  I think the offer of an old Mono is a great way to start and will allow you to print 95% of what you might want to initially.  If you really see use in a bigger and better machine, I bought mine for about $350 last Black Friday so waiting for a deep discount is worth the wait.  It prints very well, but my concerns are as follows:

-Poor sealing of the printing chamber so the machine leaks fumes while operating or standing by.  Anycubic machines have a positive seal for the chamber.
-The cooling fan needed for the Saturn pumps fumes into the room, so you really need to have ventiliation.  It also leaks UV on the side, so you need to be cognizant of storage of UV-sensitive materials on that side.
-The larger vat needed for a big print footprint means you need a lot more resin in the vat and this is just over the top if you are printing smallish items.  Minor issue but a factor in with the big printers.  My AC machine would print with 100ml in the vat, my current machine is about 600 ml to just get below the minimum line.  Most of my prints use 50-100 ml so the big pool of resin is a pain and means it is harder to change resin types, as you always need about 500 ml+ to operate the machine.  With the smaller vat, I could run a bottle down to almost nothing.
-I am quite careful with the FEP film but I have yet to get more than 15 000 print lines from one, about half of what the machine considers 'time to change the FEP'.  I am using Elegoo branded film and it is a major PIA to change the film- like 40 screws and finicky tension of the film (not too tight, not too loose).  When it leaks, which I've had, the drainage is particularly problematic with the stepper motor that controls the tilt release.  Bad design and again, a major PIA that a new user will not want to deal with.  My Anycubic Mono was a dream by contrast and never had any issues.  FEP changes were simple with about 16 screws and drum-skin tension.
-The 'features' like print failure detection, camera, etc. are useless in my view.  I also had some security issues with my router after connecting the unit via wifi, so I disconnected it and it operates in standalone.  What the mothership in China was doing with my wifi remains unclear, but screw that.  Most of the advanced features don't work unless it is wifi connected.  It prints fine without wifi, but no advanced features.
-The bundled slicer software is terrible compared to Anycubic's.  Yes, you can use some other package, but it is what it is.

The pros are IMO:

-Excellent print quality, but with some notable deficiencies.  For example, I have yet to reproduce 0.25 mm diameter holes on walkways that my Anycubic 'starter' could replicate flawlessly.  It might be a print settings issue, but I can assure you that a solution has not presented itself after extensive tests.
-The heated vat works very well.  I print in an unheated utility room where winter-spring temps are 15-19 degrees C.  I don't know why people heat the room the printer is in, the vat heats the resin and it is definitely a plus for print reliability by assuring lower resin viscosity.  The room temperature is irrelevant, even for resin storage as the vat brings it to temp in a few minutes.  The comparable Anycubic vat heating system seems to use a pump mechanism, something that sounds like a mess to deal with and the only reason I did not buy the Anycubic M7.

In hindsight, I would have continued to use the Anycubic products.  They seem better engineered in my experience.  The Elegoo has more bells and whistles, but to me is like buying the Hyundai when Anycubic is the Toyota.  I'm a Toyota guy, I suppose!


In terms of the support materials, Robert describes in good detail many useful things to handle and cure prints.  I would suggest that buying a lot of stuff is not needed, and whatever is used will become resin contaminated so becomes disposable, so I offer some of my homebrew solutions that cost little, use common materials and are effective and for me most importantly, minimize handling and exposure risk to IPA and resin.

First, while I have a wash and cure, the wash function is complete overkill and requires a lot of IPA volume to function.  The stuff is expensive.  Instead, I use three Ikea glass containers with silicon seals that are air and liquid tight.  One is dirty, the next clean, and the final ultra clean.  Each holds 500-1000 ml but don't need to be full to be effective.  Each print goes in, gets shaken for 10-15 seconds and then moves to the next cleaner solution.  You can leave the IPA in these sealed containers indefinitely with no fumes.



The IPA solutions get dirty quickly, in part because of the limited volumes I use.  I have a simple system to clean them and I gradually move the clean solutions into the dirtier containers.  The clean solution gets filtered every day I do prints.  I made a simple filter rig from two yoghurt containers and a coffee filter. It is held together with silicon caulking.  I use paper coffee filters to collect the fine resin particulates and it drips while the printer is running.  With the lids, the whole thing is very clean and low-fume and the clean IPA is crystal clear.



For the dirty IPA, I tip it at the end of the printing day as illustrated in the photo.  This allows the more abundant particulates to settle and accumulate.  I then use a 500 ml syringe ($8 Amazon) to suck out the cleaner solution into a large yogurt container.  The risidual with the suspended solids is then drained into a 3 L water bottle from Walmart to settle for long periods (a 2 L pop bottle works too but is not as stable).  I can use the same syringe with a straw on the end to extract clear IPA from the 3L container as needed.  Eventually, I put the highly resin-contaminated IPA scum at the bottom outside in an open plastic tub (diswasher tabs in my case) to evaporate and cure.

This system works very well and cost very little. Moreover, when I am ultimately done, it can all be disposed of without regret.

Finally, if you are doing this in any kind of living space, it requires real active ventilation and I do suggest a respirator for the IPA.  The Elegoo machine needs much more serious ventilation than my old Anycubic.  Heating the resin increases the fume production, and the machine design and operation are not meant to contain said fumes.

Regardless of what you do, keep it simple, and take the plunge!  Printing is a gamechanger and is easy to learn and do.

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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2026, 02:54:46 PM »
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I'm a huge Anycubic DLP fan, but unfortunately the printer is no longer in production.  I had marginal success with the Photon Mono, and my experience with the D2 is night and day.  I have three D2s in operation and an Elegoo Mars DLP unopened as a spare.  I don't need large footprints to print 98% of the time.  The 2% where I do need it such as when printing railroad stations, I farm it out.  I also like that resin leaking underneath the tray is not a major issue and is just a matter of wiping off the glass plate.

Regarding 3D CAD design, I've been using SolidWorks for 20 years or so and love it, so I'm not a good source for what packages are the best.  I also don't know if the hobbyist version has fewer features than the standard version, which is what I have.  It does everything I need to do.
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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2026, 03:37:26 PM »
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That is the Anycubic printer I almost bought.  It looks great but the vat heating system is complicated, make sure what you are getting into.  It might be fine in practice, but this feature is where Elegoo got it right IMO.

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Re: Getting started in 3D printing. Software? Printers?
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2026, 06:35:14 PM »
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That is the Anycubic printer I almost bought.  It looks great but the vat heating system is complicated, make sure what you are getting into.  It might be fine in practice, but this feature is where Elegoo got it right IMO.

Would you recommend another Anycubic instead?

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2026, 06:44:36 PM »
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If you are printing in a climate conditioned space, they have models without vat heaters.  I can't offer a specific model as I was looking for this feature. Others here might have a suggestion or experience with the M7.

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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2026, 06:51:21 PM »
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In hindsight, something like this would have been better for me.  Only $265 CAD, do like $200 USD.  Larger build size which is nice for building and rolling stock models.  Simple is good with these printers IMO.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DB887MCD/ref=emc_bcc_2_i

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2026, 07:11:08 PM »
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I would draw up something first before buying a printer. I mean if you can't make a file the printer doesn't matter.