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Flexible PCB Strips....
« on: August 30, 2021, 07:39:20 PM »
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I saw these flexible PCB strips being used first by SteamPower4ever (Jens) in one of his decoder installs ( See how he uses them.. https://www.nscale.net/forums/showthread.php?49299-Installing-ESU-LokSound-micro-v4-decoder-in-a-Kato-FEF-3 ). I couldn't find a source in the States for them or any source that would ship to the States from Europe. He was so kind to order some and then ship them himself (thanks again Jens). Later I found a source on eBay that would ship and ordered more so now probably have a life-time supply for about $20 total. (https://www.ebay.com/itm/373650300590? ) is the current link to the eBay site.

I found these extremely useful for:

1. Lightboards …...................................................................



2. Joining wires together ….................................................



3. Using as a solder pad in a tight area …........…



4. Running power through a tight space ...….....


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I'll conclude with some pictures from various decoder installs and other projects showing how I've been using them.

Lightboards:







Soldering the small LED and resistor can be intimidating. The flex PCB helps with this as it lays flat. I put a weight on it and leave the strip long at this point as it is easier to hold. With the strip pre-tinned you can pick up the LED or resistor and hold it by one end and place it on top of the tinned section. Put a very small drop of solder on the end of your iron (first) and then just touch the iron to the LED/Resistor and the strip at the same time and remove it quickly as soon as you see the solder flow onto the LED/Resistor. With one end soldered on move to the other end and solder it. It will be easier as it is in place held by the other end.

With the components soldered on I test across the resistor with an ohm meter to make sure it is soldered to both sides. I also use a LED tester I have to test across the LED to make sure it is working. Remember that the LED is polarity sensitive so you need positive going to the anode side and negative to the cathode side. If it doesn't light swap the leads and see if it does. You can check the whole assembly by running the current through both the resistor and LED.



The LED is polarity sensitive so you should look at the markings on it and place it in the short circuit in a way that suits you. However if you mistakenly soldered it into the circuit backwards that is no problem. Just swap the blue wire and the other decoder wire (white or yellow) around and the LED should work fine. It doesn't matter if the current flows through the resistor before or after the LED.

AC to DC Circuit:

The following is a circuit I used in my turntable build ( http://1fatgmc.com/RailRoad/Turntable/Turntable-Index.html ) where I needed to convert the DCC AC voltage to DC in the turntable itself.




Solder Pad and Running Through a Tight Place:



If you are in the U.S. For about $20 (less or more for others) you can pickup a supply of these from Europe that will probably last some time. Once one starts using them you find all kinds of situations where they come in very handy.

I have more photos and info on my site ( http://1fatgmc.com/RailRoad/Decoder-1/page-24.html )

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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2021, 08:50:16 PM »
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Excellent info!

I etch my own boards using thin PC board material, but I can see how those strips can be very handy for modelers who do not etch their own.



Here is an example of similar circuit using my custom-etched boards.

When you glue them to the metal chassis, how well do they stick?  I ask because in my experience with similar flexible circuits, adhesives don't stick very well to them.
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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2021, 09:04:29 PM »
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....When you glue them to the metal chassis, how well do they stick?  I ask because in my experience with similar flexible circuits, adhesives don't stick very well to them...

I haven't tried gluing them to anything but I believe Jens used super glue for some of his decoder installs.  A look at his install (link I had in other post) probably would cover that.  When I get some time I might look or better yet try gluing a piece to a broken chassis I  have.

After one of your other posts I bought the stuff to try etching a board from your info.  Haven't done it yet but thanks for the info that moved me in that direction.  That has a lot more flexibility as far as circuits than these strips do but they work great for some of the situations I've used them in.

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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2021, 03:21:07 PM »
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Cool product. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2021, 06:59:49 AM »
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A definite, Thankyou.  I've ordered some :)
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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2021, 09:57:10 AM »
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Ordered, I have 20+ passenger car lighting strips to make for my P70 passenger fleet.

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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2021, 10:48:46 AM »
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Where did you guys order from. The link in the 1st post by Sumner does not work.

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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2021, 12:10:34 PM »
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Where did you guys order from. The link in the 1st post by Sumner does not work.

Carl

I see also that it isn't working now and it was at least 2 days ago.  When I found them I tried to find another link to possibly a web site but had no luck.  I could only find them on ebay. 

The place where Jens ordered from for himself and me would ship to I believe all of Europe but not to the U.S..  I finally found the place in the link and they were fast to ship.  It is strange you can't find these anywhere.  I've found larger strips (wider) that are used for LED lighting but not the narrow ones.

I did find another listing for the place I had ordered from (ledbaron) but looks like they are out of stock (maybe some of you made that happen) but looks like at the moment they might have some that are twice as wide......

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324477560668?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143132%26meid%3D6649e05e7d20498c93aa2428e348009b%26pid%3D101198%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D373451828516%26itm%3D324477560668%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2047675.c101198.m1985

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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 12:26:27 PM »
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I thought mine came via the UK but maybe from Germany.

Here are some links to what I believe is the source for these strips.  Not sure if they will ship to the U.S..  I did just send a message to them asking that question.

https://www.shop-014.de/michawi-p2912h320s325-flexible-Streifen-Pl.html

https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.extangis_business__products_gmbh.51e551b08db8a651a085bd43073aec27.html

http://www.ledbaron.de/

If there is someone on here in Germany maybe they would be interested in pursuing this as a possible service to other modelers outside of Germany or as a business venture.  I believe there is a market but probably not one that would make one much of a profit.  When I ordered mine I considered getting more and then selling them here ( U.S ) at a small markup to cover my shipping but I want to stay retired.

I did find another listing for the place I had ordered from (ledbaron) but looks like they are out of stock (maybe some of you made that happen) but looks like at the moment they might have some that are twice as wide......

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324477560668?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143132%26meid%3D6649e05e7d20498c93aa2428e348009b%26pid%3D101198%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D373451828516%26itm%3D324477560668%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2047675.c101198.m1985


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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2021, 12:31:11 PM »
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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2021, 12:58:38 PM »
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Sumner,
Most of that *HUMONGOUS* URL link is eBay's tracking info.

If you want to post a link to an eBay item, all you need is the very first part (up to before the first question mark).  I took your link and edited out the unneeded and unwanted tracking info.  This is what it looks like:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324477560668
Also, since eBay is global, you can view items from other eBay location through the U.S. eBay.  You just have to change the "co.uk" to ".com".  This also will automatically translate the listing  if the original one is from a country that does nto speak Enlish (liek Germany). Here is the same item listed on U.S. eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/324477560668

Unfortunately, the listing has ended.  :|

I hope you don't mind this educational post.
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Re: Flexible PCB Strips....
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2021, 10:24:23 PM »
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Looks like the strips that I mentioned might be back up....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373650300590?

Sumner

P.S.  Looks like that batch sold out.  I'll quit posting links except to suggest visiting the seller's store and seeing it he has another batch back up for sale.....

https://www.ebay.com/usr/ledbaron/

Looks to me that someone could buy from the real source (I think I identified them in another post above) and distribute the strips themselves.  Probably not worth it for a person that doesn't sell anything else but maybe someone like Streamlined Backshop.


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