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Reviving old bottles of Badger AccuFlex / ModelFlex
« on: January 06, 2021, 12:37:14 AM »
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Has anyone had any success in reviving old bottles of Badger AccuFlex or ModelFlex that have dried out?

I've got a couple that have never been opened that I'm hoping to bring back from the dead.

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Re: Reviving old bottles of Badger AccuFlex / ModelFlex
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2021, 12:49:20 AM »
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Tried it a couple times with no successes.
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Re: Reviving old bottles of Badger AccuFlex / ModelFlex
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2021, 01:30:41 AM »
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Once the binder in enamel paints (water-based paints are usually enamels) turns into gelatinous mass, or even starts to harden, that chemical reaction is not reversible.  You can't just add some thinner like you can do with lacquer paints. No way to save it.

Well, you can add thinner and stir or blend the heck out of it, but all you will do is to pulverize the semi-hardened enamel into tiny chunks. It will not be like paint you expecting.
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Re: Reviving old bottles of Badger AccuFlex / ModelFlex
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2021, 04:35:14 PM »
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Once the binder in enamel paints (water-based paints are usually enamels) turns into gelatinous mass, or even starts to harden, that chemical reaction is not reversible.  You can't just add some thinner like you can do with lacquer paints. No way to save it.

Well, you can add thinner and stir or blend the heck out of it, but all you will do is to pulverize the semi-hardened enamel into tiny chunks. It will not be like paint you expecting.

While I agree with p. that it seems a hopeless task; if you continue to pour liquid on the subsequent emulsion, it can work.
I've resurrected an old PollyS green and others of the era to useable format-
do what he says- but use luke warm water to soften, and stir the hell out of it; a portion at a time, till the whole bottle eventually. I also put the jar in the mcrowave to soften for about 5-6 seconds, perhaps twice as I feel the substance temperature.
Obviously you need to use careful judgement about how much 'liquid' you are applying to rewet the paint. Insuffucuent 'mixing will simply give a coloured water type solution. More grinding required.

I normally use just discarded paint brush ends for my mixing, but knowing I was trying to break down particles, I also used a stainless steel screwdriver to provide adequate friction and force.

- I tried ISO and various thinners over the years but refused to throw the paint away.
Now, what has cracked the mystery, and made a passable soluble solution (!), is the thinner from Games Workshop/ Citadel (now Warhammer?)- called 'Lahmian Medium' in their 'Technical' range. Wacky names made for juvenile fantasy gamers. But hell it worked!

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Re: Reviving old bottles of Badger AccuFlex / ModelFlex
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2021, 05:26:15 PM »
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Dave,
Since enamel sets by chemical reaction you likely still ended up with a mixture of solvent and very fine particles of "kicked over" enamel.  I would be surprised if it was as smooth after drying as "good" paint.  It is likely also not as durable (scratch resistant).  But whatever works for you.

The old Polly-S (Not Polly-Scale) paints were a bit unusual. - Those seemed more like poster paints on steroids (well by being waterproof, after they set). Those usually just got thicker and thicker instead of turning to gel.  I have revived those thickened paints just with water.  Going by smell (which they had almost no odor), those were truly water-based paints.  None of the contemporary water-cleanup paints are made that way. They all seem to use other chemicals besides water as solvent.
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Re: Reviving old bottles of Badger AccuFlex / ModelFlex
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2021, 09:17:35 PM »
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Thanks gents
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