Black 2.0

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Have any of you worked with the Black 2.0 (or 3.0) that's out there?
http://stuartsemple.com/project/black-v1-0-beta-worlds-mattest-flattest-black-art-material/

My recent foray into PC stuff has made me really want something I can use to pickup panel lines and grills that's blacker than black.

I'm tempted to pick some up but I wanted to see if any of you had some experience with it.

[Lemosteam]

Don't like the Tamiya pane liner?

You would have to thin this, no?  Would it still be blacker than black once thinned?

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Don't like the Tamiya pane liner?

You know, I haven't tried it.

You would have to thin this, no?  Would it still be blacker than black once thinned?

Yep, definitely. And I think I read that it holds its color when thinned up to 50%.

[Philip H]

Tamiya has a panel line wash, as does Ammo by Mig. Anymore i look at the Armor modelers for interesting wash ideas.

[Missaberoad]

Two thoughts...

First, this stuff is really dark, unnaturally so. As much as I think its cool I can't think of a use in modeling that it wouldn't be overpowering...

Second, are PC grills & panel lines really blacker then black? 

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/709517/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/693693/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/693223/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/726285/

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Two thoughts...

First, this stuff is really dark, unnaturally so. As much as I think its cool I can't think of a use in modeling that it wouldn't be overpowering...

Second, are PC grills & panel lines really blacker then black? 

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/709517/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/693693/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/693223/
https://www.railpictures.net/photo/726285/

Good point, but I mean to replicate shadows and add depth for things, the way regular black works for lighter colored stuff.

It's a very specific use.

The alternative is what I did a little bit of on the GP9 I recently did: drybrushing a dark gray on the raised grills to add a little contrast.

[DKS]

Two thoughts...

First, this stuff is really dark, unnaturally so. As much as I think its cool I can't think of a use in modeling that it wouldn't be overpowering...

Second, are PC grills & panel lines really blacker then black?

I have a rule about "absolute" black. Only one place it's appropriate on layouts: tunnels. Otherwise, I never use anything darker than Floquil Weathered Black (which is really a very dark grey). From an observer's perspective, everything on a layout is (supposed to be) 160 times further away than we actually are. At that distance, except perhaps in the driest of environments, black will never appear "absolute" black. I reserve "absolute" black for tunnels because that black doesn't tend to "grey out" the way black objects do, like tarpaper.

But, that's just me...

[Chris333]

I have a rule about "absolute" black. Only one place it's appropriate on layouts: tunnels. Otherwise, I never use anything darker than Floquil Weathered Black (which is really a very dark grey). From an observer's perspective, everything on a layout is (supposed to be) 160 times further away than we actually are. At that distance, except perhaps in the driest of environments, black will never appear "absolute" black. I reserve "absolute" black for tunnels because that black doesn't tend to "grey out" the way black objects do, like tarpaper.

But, that's just me...

I use it inside smoke stacks, but yeah even if I use "black" I weather it.

[Point353]

I have a rule about "absolute" black. Only one place it's appropriate on layouts: tunnels.

Not even on a model of Ed K's car just after he's given it a wash & wax?

[dem34]

I can actually see this being handy for light insulation. Making a surface absolutely guaranteed to not bleed light through it. May even dull down the supernovas contained within BLI's P70s.

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Not even on a model of Ed K's car just after he's given it a wash & wax?

BMW actually did that: https://www.bmw.com/en/design/the-bmw-X6-vantablack-car.html

They should've done that to those "GT" models they did, they might've actually sold a few if you weren't able to see how ugly they were.

[DKS]

I can actually see this being handy for light insulation. Making a surface absolutely guaranteed to not bleed light through it. May even dull down the supernovas contained within BLI's P70s.

Depends on how dense it is. It may be really black, but it may not be super-opaque. For light-tightness, I still rely on a heavy coat of black acrylic, or if it's semi-translucent styrene, a combination of silver paint followed by black gouache.

[C855B]

BMW actually did that: https://www.bmw.com/en/design/the-bmw-X6-vantablack-car.html ...

Hmm. An expensive performance sedan so light-absorbing others can't see it? 

Stealth I understand for military aircraft operating in an actively-controlled 3D space, but a car that has little choice but to share the road with others? Yeah, it was a "isn't this cool?" design exercise, but beyond that, practicality somewhere on the scale between zero and nil.

[davefoxx]

Hmm. An expensive performance sedan so light-absorbing others can't see it? 

Stealth I understand for military aircraft operating in an actively-controlled 3D space, but a car that has little choice but to share the road with others? Yeah, it was a "isn't this cool?" design exercise, but beyond that, practicality somewhere on the scale between zero and nil.

Does that make that BMW model a singularity, and if you dare cross the event horizon, you'll get into an accident? 

[DKS]

https://www.wsj.com/video/bmw-drivers-really-are-jerks-studies-find/29285015-BB1A-4E41-B0C0-0A41CB990F60.html