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James Costello

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2025, 04:52:33 PM »
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Perhaps hold out for next run since they say " this run will not"

Yeah, I noticed that and thought that too. This is frustrating with customer service though - why not just say that? "sorry we messed up but we're fixing it and the next run will have the correct details"

I forgot to mention, I only received the response because I waited two weeks and then followed up with Steve. The response came back within 24hrs... so what was he waiting for?

So yeah, disappointed to two fronts. I'd be less upset if the announcement and artwork just said "now with ditch lights" and been understanding that they took the cheap road out with pilot mounted lights, but to actually show us these were porch mounted and correct for Espee and now do something different without advising us is a blow.

Frankly, I do expect better communication from companies now we're long into this limited run, reservation only age.

I've got a bunch of the original LifeLike versions so I'll have to reconsider my reservations.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2025, 06:12:13 PM »
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I had three pre-ordered and canceled them.

I've been an Atlas customer for over 40 years and can remember when the first SD50s appeared with numbers in the number boards and writing Paul Graf about how sharply done they were.

Nowadays, Atlas is... well, Atlas. Pretty generic offerings but they generally have figured out how to install decent sound [speakers].

There are other options and my dollars have been going elsewhere and that will not break Atlas. They had/have a successful formula ... right up until they don't.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2025, 07:45:32 PM »
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I feel like I dodged a bullet here. I was honestly ready to pony up for at least 8 of these things, but alas all the SP/DRGW and UP versions were all deck mounted ditch lights. I was hoping to supplement my FVM SP trio, but dont look like that will happen for a long while from Atlas nor ST/FVM. Supposedly the FVM versions are lost or suffer the same issues that the FVM GEVOs and SD70ACes in regards to production from ST.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2025, 10:27:27 PM »
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This is disappointing and frustrating, for sure, especially given the artwork. Why tool something that is deliberately wrong? I do feel like Atlas has been slipping a little bit the past few years in execution of designs and paint schemes compared to the how they were in the past.

Though (at the risk of being "that guy") I also can't help but recall that just about every road had different styles of dynamic brakes and walkways. Fox Valley tooled multiple variations, but Life Like only tooled one (I forget which road is actually correct).  So for almost every railroad, these are generic units in any case.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2025, 10:38:36 PM »
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I'm trying to work out how to adequately express my disappointment in this development, as well as the lack of customer service / communication from Atlas on this issue:

@kiwi_bnsf @ryan_wilkerson

Wow — that's disappointing.

I no longer trust Atlas artwork to match a loco — so no pre-ordering for me. I just have to wait until they ship and a hobby shop publishes decent photos and hope that there's still stock available.

I wonder what ditch lights the upcoming Dash 8-40C release will have? They promised front and rear ditch lights on the NS versions.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2025, 10:44:56 PM »
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....Though (at the risk of being "that guy") I also can't help but recall that just about every road had different styles of dynamic brakes and walkways. Fox Valley tooled multiple variations, but Life Like only tooled one (I forget which road is actually correct).  So for almost every railroad, these are generic units in any case.

I believe the LL model most closely represented phase 2 SP GP60's, with the recessed brakewheel and the boxy dynamics, although they didn't do the toolbox extension at the end of the walkway blower duct (with associated handrail differences). I want to say that it was pretty close to NS units too but, IIRC, the handrails stanchion placement was different.


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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2025, 10:32:02 AM »
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 ;)  Compare LL/Walthers GP-60 with prototype UP (ex SP) laundry chute (walk way blower).  Although the bell is missing, they did a pretty good job of modeling for the moderate N price range.  I bought mine for $49.99 on line from TrainWorld.


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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2025, 11:14:12 AM »
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The above prototype example is a phase 1 GP60, evident by the more rounded dynamics and non-recessed brakewheel. FVM did the phase 1's and phase 2's. LL only did phase 2.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2025, 04:00:38 PM »
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 :)  Upvoted since I never noticed the phases.  This photo happened in 2009 while using my old Olympus digital camera and the flash fired showing the reflective locomotive stripes.  Anyway it shows UP #2039 with the phase 2 recessed brake like my LifeLike locomotive.


Here are a couple of GP60s earning their keep.  Photo taken 4-12-2009 west of Chickasha OK.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2025, 09:50:57 PM »
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This was the email I ended up sending to Atlas (Steve and Paul) - two weeks on and no acknowledgement....

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Hi Steve

It's taken me some time to find the time to adequately deal with this disappointment and find the means to express it respectfully.

The new releases of the Atlas GP38 have just been delivered with porch mounted ditch lights.

This GP60 release was announced back in 2020 and advertised with porch mounted ditch lights and you'd think 5 years would be an adequate amount of time to not only deal with developing this feature, but also to communicate to customers that there was some sort of issue that was going to prevent this release from being delivered as advertised.

So far, there is still no mention of this change in details on social media platforms, atlas newsletters, dealer notifications or otherwise. The only way I know about is due to a public photo taken at a train show and shared on a forum.

People are still expecting this release to have porch mounted ditch lights, and this is about to a false advertising disaster.

To make matters worse, the way the industry works these days, as you know, is via the reservation system. Whilst customers don't typically have to pay for a deposit or the full purchase price prior to arrival, we generally have no ability to inspect these in person prior to delivery. My online hobby shop where I reserve my products to ensure availability, will charge me for the product as soon as they arrive in stock and then ship them to me automatically - often before they've announced to the world they've received them. Thankfully, the potential discussion around whether these are as advertised or quality issues on delivery don't need to happen very often - but it only forces the issue downstream and on to consumers. To further exacerbate the issue, I'm an international customer which means I'm paying for two lots of postage before I even get to see the issue in person to identify it and then two lots back to return any defective product.... Usually at my own cost! Future tariffs and cost increases aren't your fault, but they're only making the downstream issue worse for consumers.

My other local hobby shop here in Australia has also reserved some of these units for me through Walthers and we'll now have to cancel these reservations through them prior to shipment. I'll also have to have a frank conversation with my online dealer.

I believe these units are about to arrive at hobby shops, which means the cloak of secrecy around this change and the lack of transparent conversation with consumers and dealers from Atlas is extremely disappointing and believe not befitting a manufacturer of Atlas's standing and reputation.

Your loyal customers reserve products in advance based on Atlas' reputation and our desire to ensure we are able to obtain these products - to not miss out when they hit the shops.

It's your loyal customers that are going to be hurt most from this failure - both in product and in communication.

I think Atlas needs to address this issue publicly and before your customers are hurt. I know I will have to reconsider future advance reservations on Atlas products where details such as ditch light placement are important for my modelling period and purchasing decisions.

I hope you consider how you address this issue with you customers.


As posted elsewhere, the silver series are hitting the shops now.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2025, 12:11:24 AM »
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This was the email I ended up sending to Atlas (Steve and Paul) - two weeks on and no acknowledgement....

As posted elsewhere, the silver series are hitting the shops now.

@James Costello - that is a great feedback email to Atlas.

I note that it is quite hard to find photos of these models — Atlas has only posted the original artwork in low resolution (and many online stores only show this artwork too). I'm not sure if this is deliberate or just lazy, but the Dash 8-40Cs that just landed with correct ditch lights do get photos on the Atlas website  :|

I finally found that N Scale Supply has invested time to do their own decent photography:

https://www.nscalesupply.com/atl/atl-locomotiveemdgp60.html

These higher resolution photos clearly show the incorrect pilot mounted ditch lights and a number of other detail issues.

I'm glad I picked up Fox Valley GP60s back in the day — they are much more accurate models.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2025, 07:46:30 AM »
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Grateful for this thread as I was tempted to give Atlas one more shot. It won’t be on this locomotive.

Watching Atlas slip out of the consideration set for N scale is painful as they are the most prolific company in terms of locomotive options and still so what BLI and Kato refuse to: properly paint handrails. But the bait and switch artwork combined with declining overall quality is tough to swallow. And to pay a tariff tax on top of that may be a bridge too far for that one more chance for Atlas to change my mind.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2025, 10:29:27 AM »
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Looking at the model, I wonder if the anti-climber could have been made with PC board material in a multiple-layer sandwich. The top layer being etched tread material with pads to mount two LEDs These pads would be connected to the bottom etched circuit. The bottom layer would also have pads to mount Lower LEDs and pins that push through the pilot and connect to wiring inside. If done correctly, these pins would be socketed for anti-climber removal and be able to hold the part in place without glue.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2025, 03:05:03 PM »
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Looking at the model, I wonder if the anti-climber could have been made with PC board material in a multiple-layer sandwich. The top layer being etched tread material with pads to mount two LEDs These pads would be connected to the bottom etched circuit. The bottom layer would also have pads to mount Lower LEDs and pins that push through the pilot and connect to wiring inside. If done correctly, these pins would be socketed for anti-climber removal and be able to hold the part in place without glue.

Great idea in theory, but I doubt any model RR manufacturer would go to these lengths for ditch lights. Well, at last not at this juncture.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2025, 07:04:05 PM »
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Great idea in theory, but I doubt any model RR manufacturer would go to these lengths for ditch lights. Well, at last not at this juncture.

At least, not anyone who's not starting from scratch.