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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2025, 03:04:54 PM »
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Atlas had a few samples on display at the Amherst Railroad Hobby Show last weekend








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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2025, 05:41:14 AM »
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At least they could have put the correct trucks on them for ATSF or BNSF  :o

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2025, 08:36:28 AM »
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As I recall, the original LL runs all had incorrect trucks as well.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2025, 09:37:29 AM »
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From the catalog thread:

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When we work with purchased tooling we generally try to run it one time relatively untouched to help offset the purchase cost.

which goes towards explaining some of the model's shortcomings. On the fence about this one, I'd have liked to see the FVM 60's make a comeback. Maybe in the 2030s.

Plows - as mentioned repeatedly - would be nice. Perhaps their next run can feature correct trucks, with enough of a surplus that we can swap them around.



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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2025, 10:01:45 AM »
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From the catalog thread:

which goes towards explaining some of the model's shortcomings. On the fence about this one, I'd have liked to see the FVM 60's make a comeback. Maybe in the 2030s.

Plows - as mentioned repeatedly - would be nice. Perhaps their next run can feature correct trucks, with enough of a surplus that we can swap them around.



Scaletrains has more or less made it clear they have no intention to run the FVM stuff. They had announced SD70ACe’s, but then cancelled it. They had some BS reason, my feeling on it was that they couldn’t produce the FVM mechanism nearly as cheap as their own design, and decided they didn’t have the profit margin to make it work. Which is a shame, because the FVM mechanism is still miles better than the ST offerings.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2025, 10:16:37 AM »
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Sounds like valid reasons to cancel the Fox Valley ES44 and SD70ACe
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Thank you for preordering the Fox Valley Models N Scale ES44 GEVO and/or SD70ACe. We apologize for the long delay as we worked through the chassis changes to accommodate DCC & sound as well as the tooling tests. Through these processes, we've learned several key molds are missing and cannot be located. Unfortunately, the cost to redesign and tool these parts again is about 1/3 of what creating all-new locomotives would cost. Therefore, we have decided to discontinue the development and production of the Fox Valley Models N Scale ES44 and SD70ACe.

Since a definitive ES44 and SD70ACe do not exist in N Scale, we have started the process to create all-new tooling for both locomotives in our Rivet Counter line with all of the railroad, road number, and era specific details you've come to expect. New ES44 and SD70ACe features will include front AND rear ditch lights that flash where appropriate, separately controlled LED lighted number boards, and more. The ES44 and SD70ACe are being tooled in hardened steel instead of aluminum. Hardened steel will last for decades to come and the crispness of the details will not deteriorate with prolonged use like aluminum does.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2025, 10:42:18 AM »
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I believe the above also affected the GP60s (lost dies/molds)

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2025, 12:22:26 PM »
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2025, 12:44:51 PM »
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If they do it. I'm not holding my breathe, ST has more or less abandoned N scale development, from what I see. Keep re-running what they've got, but very little new. They've become Kato... Even Rapido "we're not going to do any more N because it doesn't sell" is doing way more in N scale that ScaleTrains these days.

Geez, and here I'm thinking ST is out there killing it with releases. We just got tunnel motors and now they're coming out with GP30's.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2025, 01:28:58 PM »
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Geez, and here I'm thinking ST is out there killing it with releases. We just got tunnel motors and now they're coming out with GP30's.

They are even doing additional paint schemes in N Scale that are not available in HO for some releases like faded SP AC44’s and NS high hood SD40-2’s.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2025, 02:02:06 PM »
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Geez, and here I'm thinking ST is out there killing it with releases. We just got tunnel motors and now they're coming out with GP30's.

Sure, but beyond that release, they have nothing new in N scale coming. A glance at their ETA page confirms that they have nothing for N scale beyond a proposed summer 25 ETA. Where as HO is already out to late 2025. I’m not saying they’re not doing N scale, but they’re just not doing new stuff at the rate they used to

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2025, 02:53:07 PM »
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Sure, but beyond that release, they have nothing new in N scale coming. A glance at their ETA page confirms that they have nothing for N scale beyond a proposed summer 25 ETA. Where as HO is already out to late 2025. I’m not saying they’re not doing N scale, but they’re just not doing new stuff at the rate they used to

The return of the of the Fox Valley Silversides is to be announced later this year.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2025, 03:32:45 PM »
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Sure, but beyond that release, they have nothing new in N scale coming. A glance at their ETA page confirms that they have nothing for N scale beyond a proposed summer 25 ETA. Where as HO is already out to late 2025. I’m not saying they’re not doing N scale, but they’re just not doing new stuff at the rate they used to

Please remind me of the rate they used to release stuff.

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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2025, 04:07:32 PM »
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If they do it. I'm not holding my breathe, ST has more or less abandoned N scale development, from what I see. Keep re-running what they've got, but very little new. They've become Kato... Even Rapido "we're not going to do any more N because it doesn't sell" is doing way more in N scale that ScaleTrains these days.


I'm sorry, but your comments that Scale Trains are not committed to N scale are simply not backed up by evidence.

In the past 12 months, Scale Trains has announced/shipped the following in N scale:

AC4400CW   New tooling, SP version never done in N scale before
                   Shipped April 2024
                   Another run due in June 2025

C44-9W      New tooling variations including BNSF H1 and CNW variations
                  Shipped Jun 2024

SD40T-2       New tooling that includes Snoot, Short-nose, and with and without ditch lights
                   Shipped October 2024
                   Another run just announced that is due in August 2025

SD40-2        New tooling variations include snoots, high hoods, with and without ditch lights
                   Two different runs shipped Feb and Aug 2025
                   Another run due in July 2024

GP30          New tooling variations include B-units and slugs
                  Due Jan 2025

ET44AC      Shipped Aug 2024

F68 Flats     Two versions newly tooled
                  Shipped August 2024

PS 5820      New tooling
                  Shipped August 2024

42' Coil       New tooling
                  Shipped August 2024

82' Reefer    New tooling
                  Due Feb 2025

FVM RD-4    Due Feb 2025


The reason that Scale Trains doesn't have any N scale releases listed beyond August 2025 is because (unlike Atlas) they deliver models in 6-9 months from announcement. The models just announced at Springfield will ship in August!

In the same timeframe, Rapido has announced F59s and Budd RDCs with no firm delivery date. They did announce a wide vision caboose in N, but publicly stated in their newsletter that they would not be pursuing more new freight cars in N scale due to lack of sales.


Scaletrains has more or less made it clear they have no intention to run the FVM stuff. They had announced SD70ACe’s, but then cancelled it. They had some BS reason, my feeling on it was that they couldn’t produce the FVM mechanism nearly as cheap as their own design, and decided they didn’t have the profit margin to make it work. Which is a shame, because the FVM mechanism is still miles better than the ST offerings.

BS reason? I can't imagine Scale Trains were happy that they purchased the Fox Valley tooling, announced a locomotive, and then found that the aluminium tooling was not usable. They clearly communicated the reasons for this to their customers. There are FVM RD-4s shipping from Scale Trains this month — they are clearly not deliberately sitting on tooling.


Stepping back to the topic of this thread — Atlas announced the ex-Walthers GP60 in 2020, and are now about to finally ship a model five years later that still has no ditch lights, no headlight variations, and incorrect trucks. I don't think Scale Trains are the ones who need to work on their announcement and delivery pipeline here.
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Re: New Atlas Master GP60
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2025, 06:41:37 PM »
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Stepping back to the topic of this thread — Atlas announced the ex-Walthers GP60 in 2020, and are now about to finally ship a model five years later that still has no ditch lights, no headlight variations, and incorrect trucks. I don't think Scale Trains are the ones who need to work on their announcement and delivery pipeline here.

I hadn't paid too much attention to the photos posted from Springfield, but I'm going to be VERY disappointed if these don't arrive with porch mounted ditch lights as advertised.





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