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Quick question... After inventorying my 'Festivus' vintage purchase.. I had quite a few Con-Cor cars, which could be divided into several eras based on packaging..  Without going into detail on all the versions (I could if there is interest), but one thing I noticed...

Early Con-Cor (Kato/Sesuki) products were shipped with a 4 digit product number, while later cars (as early as 1973 to early 1990s) used a 4 digit number for body style+letter for road name.

I'm trying to find a reference for the earliest product numbers and road names so I know if the right cars are in the right boxes.  The box just lists product number and price..

Any help.. or anyone know when they transitioned so I can hunt down a pre-19## catalog?

Thanks ~Ian


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Re: Vintage N: Con-Cor Product Numbers (Switching from #s to Letters?)
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2019, 09:49:01 PM »
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Well DKS may have struck again:
I was thinking about getting a 1968 catalog on order sheet from Ebay.. then I found..
http://davidksmith.com/birth-of-n/con-cor.htm

Which has the 'catalog' and a 1968 flyer.. but not the 'order guide' which has the details for each item..

Gotta love the Con-Cor Slogan..
"Quality Products Do Cost a Little More"  (or.. almost twice a much  :D)..

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Re: Vintage N: Con-Cor Product Numbers (Switching from #s to Letters?)
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2019, 12:29:41 AM »
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Back then they were worth the cost.
N Kalanaga
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Re: Vintage N: Con-Cor Product Numbers (Switching from #s to Letters?)
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2019, 12:31:48 AM »
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My library is discombooberated due a new shelving project in slow progress.
I’ll look in my files to see if the Trainalogs have the sort of info you’re looking for or maybe one of my handwritten logs will have it.   Will take a few days o/c of the approaching holiday and some other commitments...
Charlie Vlk

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Re: Vintage N: Con-Cor Product Numbers (Switching from #s to Letters?)
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2019, 12:38:27 AM »
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Back then they were worth the cost.

$2.75 per car :)

Price was lowered to $2.25 when they did the renumbering with new labels  with letters...
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Re: Vintage N: Con-Cor Product Numbers (Switching from #s to Letters?)
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2019, 05:21:35 AM »
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I don't have a lot of old Model Railroader magazines anymore, but Con-Cor used the 1234N catalog numbering scheme in the 7/71 issue, so it goes back at least that far. I also have one from 11/70, but their ad in that issue doesn't have any catalog numbers at all. If I had to guess, I'd say the old "numbers only" scheme was probably used up until 1969 or maybe 1970.

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Re: Vintage N: Con-Cor Product Numbers (Switching from #s to Letters?)
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2019, 08:19:08 AM »
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I don't have a lot of old Model Railroader magazines anymore, but Con-Cor used the 1234N catalog numbering scheme in the 7/71 issue, so it goes back at least that far. I also have one from 11/70, but their ad in that issue doesn't have any catalog numbers at all. If I had to guess, I'd say the old "numbers only" scheme was probably used up until 1969 or maybe 1970.

After I posted my question, I checked Ebay and found the 67-68 Con-Cor Catalog WITH the order guide.  Not enough example pages were scanned to get the info I needed, but enough detail was shown that it 'should' have my answer. 

With Mark's comments that his 71 catalog had the new numbers and 1970 catalog without numbers.. Plus looking at the DKS scans, also without numbers.. leads me to agree with Mark's dates.

Our local LHS has been giving me their old N catalogs as they clean out old storage cabinets.. they didn't start until the early 1970s..... I did get a 68 and 69 Atlas Catalog from the previous store they took over.... But I assume my chances of finding a free pre-1970 Con-Cor Catalog and price guide is slim to none..

Sooo.. I ordered the 67-68 Catalog and price guide, which should give me the info I need..

My library is discombooberated due a new shelving project in slow progress.
I’ll look in my files to see if the Trainalogs have the sort of info you’re looking for or maybe one of my handwritten logs will have it.   Will take a few days o/c of the approaching holiday and some other commitments...
Charlie Vlk

Thank you for the offer sir!.. I'm in no hurry... Let me get this catalog I just ordered.. if I'm missing anything else, I'll list it and hopefully the TRW Hive mind can figure it out.

~Ian
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Re: Vintage N: Con-Cor Product Numbers (Switching from #s to Letters?)
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2019, 09:31:19 PM »
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I received my 67-68 catalog and price guide.

Here is the original Con-Cor Product List.
1967   1973   Road   Color
Steel Boxcar 40' Standard AAR Type         
1001   -----    Undec   
1002   1001A   Santa Fe   Red/Black
1003   1001B   Great Northern   Green
1004   1001C   Burlington   Red
1005   -----    Erie-Lackawanna   Grey
1006   1001D   Southern Pacific   Tuscan
1007   1001E   Pennsy   Tuscan
1008   1001F   Great Northern   Blue
1009   1001S   Baltimore and Ohio   Tuscan
1010   1001K   Canadian National   Green Leaf
         
Steel Refrigerator 40' Standard AAR         
1051   -----    Undec   
1052   1051A   Santa Fe   Yellow
1053   1051B   UP-SP   Yellow
1054   1051C   Railway Epress   Green
1055   -----    IGA Food Stores   Yellow
1056   1051M   Dubuque Packing Co   White
1057   1051S   Western Fruit Express   Yellow
1058   1051G   Budweiser Beer   White
1059   -----    Hiram Walker   Grey
1060   1051D   PFE Modern   Orange
         
40' Wood Cattle Car         
1101   -----    Undec   
1102   1101A   Santa Fe   Tuscan
1103   -----    Great Northern   Red
1104   1101B   Union Pacific   Yellow
1105   -----    New York Central   Green
1106   1101C   Pennsy   Tuscan
1107   -----    Southern Pacific   Tuscan
1108   -----    Armour Stock Express   Red
1109   1101D   Baltimore and Ohio   Blue
1110   -----    Swift & Company   Red
         
50' Steel Gondola         
1151   -----    Undec   
1152   1151A   Soo Line   Grey
1153   -----    Union Pacific   Tuscan
1154   1151B   New York Central   Green
1155   1151C   Burlington   Red
1156   -----    Pennsy   Tuscan
1157   1151E   Southern Pacific   Tuscan
1158   1151D   Great Northern   Sky Blue
1159   1151K   Baltimore and Ohio   Black
1160   -----    Lehigh Valley   Cream
         
50' Steel Flat Car         
1201   -----    Undec   
1202   1201A   Santa Fe   Red
1203   1201F   Union Pacific   Tuscan
1204   1201B   Pennsy   Tuscan
1205   1201G   New York Central   Tuscan
1206   1201C   Southern Pacific   Black
1207   1201D   Baltimore and Ohio   Tuscan
1208   -----    Great Northern   Black
1209   1201E   US Steel Corp   Yellow
1210   -----    Norfolk and Western   Black
         
Steel Bay Window Caboose         
1251   -----    Undec   
1252   1251A   Santa Fe   Tuscan
1253   -----    Great Northern   Red
1254   1251H   Baltimore and Ohio   Red
1255   1251L   Union Pacific   Yellow
1256   1251B   Southern Pacific   
1257   1251E   Pennsy   Tuscan
1258   1251G   New York Central   Green
1259   -----    Southern Pacific   Piggyback
1260   1251J   Southern   Tuscan
         
Wood Outside Braced 40' Boxcar         
1301   -----    Undec   
1302   1301A   Union Pacific   Tuscan
1303   1301B   Pennsy   Tuscan
1304   -----    Ball Line   Yellow
1305   1301C   Chi & Ill Midland   Yellow
1306   1301D   Milwaukee Road   Tuscan
1307   1301E   Santa Fe   Tuscan
1308   -----    Great Northern   Tuscan
1309   -----    Southern Pacific   Tuscan
1310   1301F   Baltimore and Ohio   Tuscan
         
Wood Refrigerator 40' Car         
1351   -----    Undec   
1352   1351A   Krey's Ham and Bacon   Yellow
1353   1351B   Schlosser Butter Co.   White
1354   1351K   Land of Lakes Butter   Yellow
1355   -----    Edelwisse Beer   White
1356   1351C   NYC Early Bird   White
1357   1351D   Openheimer Casing Co.   Blue
1358   1351E   Oscar Mayer Meats   Orange
1359   1351L   Pluto Water Co.   White
1360   -----    Miller Beer   White
         
50' Outside Braced 1-1/2 Door Boxcar (Wood)         
1401   -----    Undec   
1402   -----    Southern Pacific   Tuscan
1403   -----    Great Northern   Tuscan
1404   -----    New York Central   Tuscan
1405   -----    Burlington   Tuscan
1406   -----    Frisco   Tuscan
1407   -----    Pennsy   Tuscan
1408   -----    Southern   Tuscan
1409   -----    Chicago North Western   Tuscan
1410   -----    Boston and Maine   Tuscan
         
50' Modern Boxcar 10' wide panel door         
1451   -----   Undec   
1452   1451E   Soo Line   Grey w/Red Doors
1453   1451A   Pennsy   Tuscan
1454   1451B   Spruce Falls Paper Co.   Green
1455   1451K   Pitt & Lake Erie   Green
1456   1451C   Union Pacific   Tuscan
1457   -----    Con-Cor   Blue-Red-Yellow
1458   1451J   Southern Pacific   Tuscan
1459   1451L   Great Northern   Green
1460   1451D   Burlington   Red
         
PA-1 Diesel Locomotive         
2001   -----    Undec   
2002   -----    Santa Fe   Passenger
2003   -----    Pennsy   Passenger
2004   -----    Great Northern   Orange and Green
2005   -----    Southern Pacific   Daylight
2006   -----    New York Central   Grey Passenger
2007   -----    Pennsy   Freight
2008   -----    Union Pacific   Yellow
2009   -----    Baltimore and Ohio   
2010   -----    Southern   
         
J3a "4-8-4" Hudson Steam Locomotive (Mar 68)         
3001   -----    Undec                 Black
3002   -----    Santa Fe   
3003   -----    Great Northern   Glacier
3004   -----    Southern Pacific   
3005   -----    Pennsy   
3006   -----    New York Central   



~Ian
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