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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2019, 11:03:06 AM »
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... I ask this because the general opinion of N scale Roco engines, I think it's safe to say, is not "great".

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Really, is that the general opinion? I disagree. All Roco locos I have - mostly models of all types from the 80s - are excellent runners, and that at a better price than the big players at that time, Arnold, Fleischmann and Minitrix.

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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2019, 11:42:11 AM »
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How does yours run? I ask this because the general opinion of N scale Roco engines, I think it's safe to say, is not "great".

Both my V200 and V215 run VERY well, so I'm just curious.

It also seems a bit odd to be able to openly discuss DB models here...  :)

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How does my Roco loco run?  It doesn't.  :D  It has been sitting in a display case for over 15 years now.  I suspect that the lubricant has hardened up and it would require full cleaning and re-lubrication to get it to run.
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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2019, 12:06:31 PM »
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Hi all,

I have both versions, the Roco V200.0 and the Fleischmann V200.1.  Both are running well  (at least the did when I last ran them, which has been a while ago).  Nevertheless none of them runs like a current Atlas model, or Kato.

The Roco is a design from the 1980's and has been rerun several times, more or less unchanged. It has a flywheel drive. I think I heard some complaints that the old motor is collecting metal parts due to its strong magnet, but I never had problems with it.
Fleischmann is well detailed, running smoothly, not sure it has a flywheel.

The stripes were silver, originally being separate chrome stripes and later painted on.

Both types have been also offered by Minitrix, but I don't have them and cannot say anything about them.

Piko has announced a new model of the V200.1  (lettered as 221)  at a quite low price (less than 100 Euros).  I have not seen any pictures of it and we have to wait.

Just my 2ct  ;)
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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2019, 04:05:14 PM »
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Really, is that the general opinion? I disagree. All Roco locos I have - mostly models of all types from the 80s - are excellent runners, and that at a better price than the big players at that time, Arnold, Fleischmann and Minitrix.

Thomas

Fair enough. I guess I was basing my "general opinion" on that greatest of all resources,  :)  Spookshow's "N Scale Encyclopedia", which looks at US prototypes only. There, Roco-built engines typically only get a "C" rating.

My Roco DB models are very close to Kato and/or Atlas levels...

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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2019, 12:35:19 AM »
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I'm pretty sure this is an international forum, correct? For ALL N/Z scale.

Anyway, my American prototype Atlas/RoCo's from the seventies run great now. They did when new, too, but before too long, due to soft brushes, would run poorly with brush material quickly filling up commutator slots. Fire rings and the whole bit.

I guess the brushes have hardened over the years and are very good now.

BTW, my Rapido V 200 has "V 200 103" above the DB emblem on the sides. I have now restored the striping (it appeared to have all been worn off - I bought it used) and painted the two smaller vents silver because I have never seen a photo of a prototype without those vents being silver. They were red on this model. Here is a picture:




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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2019, 09:58:36 PM »
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^^^^ So the secret with these locomotives is to buy them and stick them on a shelf for 20 years to allow the brushes to harden before operating.  :D

Kind of like wine.

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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2019, 10:35:31 PM »
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I actually posted a similar thing, somewhere, recently only I think I said 40 years.

:D

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Re: Deutsch V 200 Stripes
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2019, 11:17:27 PM »
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I guess it depends on the vintage of the locomotive... German or French.  ;)