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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2019, 08:17:23 AM »
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Here is my Thomas taken apart when I added a TCS M1 decoder.  I believe it was purchased in the early half of 2006.  Also purchased from PlazaJapan on eBay.






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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2019, 10:02:33 AM »
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My Granddaughter will love seeing Thomas and his friends traveling around my layout.

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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2019, 04:36:29 PM »
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Like you, I have the early 2000s set (IIRC bought on eBay from PlazaJapan), and I bought the revised set in March of 2017 (also from PlazaJapan).  The revision of the mechanism is quite drastic (for the better). I don't recall these being "officially" sold in USA (with Englush language packaging).

TOMIX (Under the name Tomy Train)  released a 'Englush' version in the early 2000s.. I think they did Thomas and James.. dont remember if they did Percy, and Henry (Gordon?) or not.

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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2019, 05:27:45 PM »
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TOMIX (Under the name Tomy Train)  released a 'Englush' version in the early 2000s.. I think they did Thomas and James.. dont remember if they did Percy, and Henry (Gordon?) or not.

~Ian

I own 3 of those sets, but all purchased from Japan, and with Japanese writing on the boxes.  Do you have any picture examples of the American releases with English language writing on the boxes?
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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2019, 05:38:27 PM »
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Could have been British releases imported to America..  As I recall I got mine from a dealer who also carried British N scale stuff.
~Ian
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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2019, 05:40:50 PM »
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Thanks, I guess I missed that release. Or maybe it was too pricey compared to the Japanese sets from eBay?
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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2019, 06:05:16 PM »
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I didnt realize you were a Thomas historian..

~Ian
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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2019, 06:30:19 PM »
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I didnt realize you were a Thomas historian..

~Ian

I'm not  - just a guy who asks a lot of questions and and posts an average of over 7 posts a day here.  :trollface: :D
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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2019, 07:48:04 PM »
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And 499 more until 20,000!!!!!  :D

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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2019, 09:05:43 PM »
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And 499 more until 20,000!!!!!  :D

Oh yeah baby!  Forget the plaid membership - I'm aiming for that never seen before "sparkle" membership!  :)
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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2019, 09:57:56 PM »
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When you get there, don't forget all your friends down below!  :)

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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2019, 11:32:21 PM »
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When you get there, don't forget all your friends down below!  :)

Absolutely!  I'll throw the larges sparkle party TRW has ever seen!

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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2019, 11:42:48 PM »
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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2019, 05:00:38 AM »
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I compared my old and new Thomas sets, and here are my findings.

I own the original release of that set (from late '90s or early 2000s) and the latest release (bought in 2018).  I think I bought the original one from Rainbow Ten (a hobby store in Japan which also did some online business). The set still has a price sticker in Japanese yen.

The packaging has changed between the releases.  Original release's box was larger and has a Styrofoam cradle vs. cardboard cradle in the new set.  Even the part number is different.





Next, the locomotive itself.  The original mechanism uses a fairly primitive large motor with open frame and top-mounted magnet. Current is picked up by metal wipers contacting the wheel treads.



All the drivers are geared, using external exposed gears (like it was done on some early N scale models). The driver axles also ride directly in the solid diecast frame - no separate bearings.



This older model runs ok, but not great.

I also found it interesting that the face molding was reworked on the new model. Not just different paint, but the face itself is slightly different.



This photo shows the difference in the chassis.  The new model has a split frame and uses a low-end coreless motor (with a flywheel).  Original model had no flywheel.



This photo shows the differences in the drive train construction.  The new version has the driver axles mounted in brass bearings (typical design for most currently made steam locos).  It has no pickup wipers. Instead it picks up the electricity through the driver axles and bearings.  The new loco also has all the gears enclosed inside the chassis, and the gears have finer tooth pitch. This, along with a coreless motor and flywheel results in much better performance.  Also worth noting is that the new loco has wheels with narrower tread and finer flanges.  Basically it has the same attributes as other contemporary models of steam locos.
I also noticed that the shape of the buffer bases has changed on the new model.




Looking at the other info in this thread, it appears that there were at least 3 iterations of this model.

1. The original with crude motor, pickup wipers and external gears.
2. (Mike's model shown earlier) A split-frame chassis with brass bearings, fine enclosed gearing, and no pickup wipers. But that iteration uses a standard motor.
3. My latest purchase. It is pretty much the 2nd version retrofitted with a coreless motor.

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Re: Bachmann N scale Thomas and Friends range
« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2019, 07:37:11 AM »
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Good write up Peteski.  Packaging wise, mine was in between  the old and new.  It had the styrofoam cradle packaging but with the artwork of the new design.

Looks like the difference between mine and the current one is the motor design.  Core vs. coreless.  Mine runs very well.