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Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« on: December 20, 2018, 06:42:12 PM »
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Hey everyone, The stack of locomotives on my workbench that need new motors is getting bigger. Some of them are not a big deal, Like an Atlas GP, I can get those motors easily. But some of them, especially the German ones, are harder to find motors for. Especially the Fleischmann ones. To add insult to injury, the older Fleischmann locomotives are known for having cheap motors. Anyways, I'm looking for a source, Preferably not Ebay, where I can find various can motors. Anyone have a go to site or company?
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Re: Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2018, 06:50:26 PM »
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Hey everyone, The stack of locomotives on my workbench that need new motors is getting bigger. Some of them are not a big deal, Like an Atlas GP, I can get those motors easily. But some of them, especially the German ones, are harder to find motors for. Especially the Fleischmann ones. To add insult to injury, the older Fleischmann locomotives are known for having cheap motors. Anyways, I'm looking for a source, Preferably not Ebay, where I can find various can motors. Anyone have a go to site or company?

Fleischmann motors can be obtained from several  sources:  Directly from Fleischmann, from DM-Toys online store (that is my go-to source) or from one of the US dealers of European models (like Reyunaulds).  But they are extremely pricey! We are talkign about $60 per motor!  I'm of course talking about N scale, since that is the only thing I'm familiar with.

But I'm curious what is wrong with all of your defective motors.  Motors are *VERY* simple and robust devices - there is nothing much to go bad inside them.  Brushes do wear down, but those are easily replaced (and again, spares are available and fairly affordable).
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Re: Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2018, 02:20:18 PM »
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If you want easy conversion of German loco’s and quality motors, than this is the site to go for, but it won’t be cheap.

https://www.sb-modellbau.com

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2018, 03:04:54 PM »
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Looks like I really need to take some reading comprehension classes. I thought he was lookign for replacing the original motors with the same type motor.  :facepalm:
Somehow my eyes (and brain) totally glazed over the "can motor" part.  I think if Mike wrote "coreless" instead of "can", that would have registered in my mind.  But then I don't know - maybe he just wants a regular (iron-armature rotor) can motors.  Those are dime-a-dozen on . . . eBay.  I especially recommend the 6-pole can motors. I recently bought some of them and I was surprised how much torque they have, and how quietly they run.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2018, 05:02:57 PM »
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So which can motors are you putting in Atlas GPs, and why?
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2018, 06:05:34 PM »
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So which can motors are you putting in Atlas GPs, and why?


 ? ? ? Who mentioned putting canned motors into Atlas GP's ?
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2018, 06:46:34 PM »
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We don't even know if he is looking for N, or H0 scale items.  Fleischmann used to make N and H0 scale models.
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Re: Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2018, 03:23:42 PM »
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Like an Atlas GP, I can get those motors easily. . . . .where I can find various can motors. Anyone have a go to site or company?

I am assuming N scale, and I know what happens when you assume.
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Re: Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2018, 11:32:50 PM »
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Hey everyone, I've been away from my computer for a few days, I see I left off a few details.

I'm looking for both coreless and normal can motors, with 5 or more poles. the main projects I am working on right now is a fleischmann Vt610 that has a bad motor, and a fleischmann ICE 1 that again has a bad motor.

For the ICE, I need something that is fast, and strong. It has to pull 12 cars, plus a dummy loco, at 175 SMPH. The motor that is in it now is weak, and it will not even pull the consist around at anything more than 30 SMPH, and it gets hot while doing it. This is with new brushes, and springs, a good cleaning, and reoiling/greasing. Before it died, it took 6 to 7 volts just to get it to do anything. Now it takes 12 volts just to get it to the 30 SMPH.

The Vt610 gave up on me last year at supertrain. I was running it with another Vt610, at about 3/4 throttle. It started heating up, and actually stopped when I went to get it off the rails. It had only been running for 30 minutes. The other ran fine for the rest of my session. I put new brushes and springs in it, and cleaned/oiled/greased it. Still dead.

Every single fleischmann locomotive I own has a tired, or weak motor. It seems to be a trait of the motors they use. Eventually, they will all need to be replaced. I'm happy with fleischmann locos, in the sense of details, and running quality, when the motors are good. but I have had far more motor failures with these than any other manufacture, ever.

In addition, I just like having motors around for projects and such, just in case, and I have used up the motors I had.
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Re: Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2018, 04:15:38 AM »
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Hey everyone, I've been away from my computer for a few days, I see I left off a few details.

I'm looking for both coreless and normal can motors, with 5 or more poles. the main projects I am working on right now is a fleischmann Vt610 that has a bad motor, and a fleischmann ICE 1 that again has a bad motor.

For the ICE, I need something that is fast, and strong. It has to pull 12 cars, plus a dummy loco, at 175 SMPH. The motor that is in it now is weak, and it will not even pull the consist around at anything more than 30 SMPH, and it gets hot while doing it. This is with new brushes, and springs, a good cleaning, and reoiling/greasing. Before it died, it took 6 to 7 volts just to get it to do anything. Now it takes 12 volts just to get it to the 30 SMPH.

The Vt610 gave up on me last year at supertrain. I was running it with another Vt610, at about 3/4 throttle. It started heating up, and actually stopped when I went to get it off the rails. It had only been running for 30 minutes. The other ran fine for the rest of my session. I put new brushes and springs in it, and cleaned/oiled/greased it. Still dead.

Every single fleischmann locomotive I own has a tired, or weak motor. It seems to be a trait of the motors they use. Eventually, they will all need to be replaced. I'm happy with fleischmann locos, in the sense of details, and running quality, when the motors are good. but I have had far more motor failures with these than any other manufacture, ever.

In addition, I just like having motors around for projects and such, just in case, and I have used up the motors I had.

As mentioned before, these conversion kits are not cheap but are probably the best you can get. The company itself is certainly recommended. We know them already for decades. BTW I only don't know if you mean VT610 or BR610, so I added the one they have.

https://www.sb-modellbau.com/details/N-Ersatz-Motor-Fleischmann-ICE-1-ICE-2-BR-401-BR-402-2056
https://www.sb-modellbau.com/details/N-Ersatz-Motor-Fleischmann-BR-610-Pendolino-2043

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Re: Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2018, 05:42:09 AM »
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There are a few places on Ali Express that sell motors - likely some OEM producers for Atlas and others:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-160-N-Ratio-Train-Model-Accessories-Motor-Locomotive-Motor/32880978009.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/N-scale-1-144-Train-Motor-Motor-Electric-Train-Model-Accessories/32859047416.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/24pcs-lot-1-160-Model-Train-N-scale-American-Coupler-Free-Shipping/32829920060.html
(these look like a drop in fit for Atlas/Kato/LL models $30 for 5!)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-1-160-12V-DC-Voltage-Model-Train-N-scale-Front-Motor-Free-Shipping/32829824855.html

Don't forget that Tomytec and Kato have powered chassis with a variety of motors for pretty cheap money - $12-25 depending on the chassis. And that leaves you with extra gear parts for other projects.

Bachmann has a veriety of motors available too:
https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70_84&products_id=10378&zenid=s9dnr9c5sq3vrh0gd86nv6rei4
The Can motor may not be the best in the world, but it does run smooth and slow.

https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70_607&products_id=6182&zenid=s9dnr9c5sq3vrh0gd86nv6rei4
I am a big fan of their coreless motor. These are in all their newer engines like the SD45, K4, Alco Mogul and Baldwin 10 wheeler. I believe these use 3 sets of windings (equivalent to a 3 pole motor), but have not cogging and run extremely slowly. not bad for $20.


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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2018, 10:17:59 AM »
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Anybody have a source for coreless Maxon and Faulhaber motors and gearheads?
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Re: Sources for motors, Besides Ebay...
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2018, 01:26:46 PM »
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As mentioned before, these conversion kits are not cheap but are probably the best you can get. The company itself is certainly recommended. We know them already for decades. BTW I only don't know if you mean VT610 or BR610, so I added the one they have.

https://www.sb-modellbau.com/details/N-Ersatz-Motor-Fleischmann-ICE-1-ICE-2-BR-401-BR-402-2056
https://www.sb-modellbau.com/details/N-Ersatz-Motor-Fleischmann-BR-610-Pendolino-2043

Marc

Thanks Marc! I think I'm going to go with them for my conversions. First up will be the ICE, But I'm going to have to wait until after the holidays to get it done.

and Yes, The BR610, and the Vt610 are the same model, and prototype, From what I understand, the VT610 is the old number. I have both a traffic red set, and a pop-colors Aqua green set. The green set is the one that still works. I also built a wiring harness to connect the 2 wagons of each unit together, to help with electrical pickup and enable the use of 1 decoder, rather than one for the motor unit, and one for the trailing unit. The addition of more pickups over a larger footprint has helped with runnability greatly also. 

I have a minitrix ICE3 that I would like to change the motor out on also, But It will wait for a long while, Because it still runs good right now, and it will require me to send the motor to SB-Modellbau for the flywheels.

In addition, I have a BR614 that I did a can motor swap on myself. It runs awesome, I just need to find a intermediate coach for it now, to make it a typical 3 unit consist. It is also has a wiring harness now, to connect the 2 units. I'll post some pictures of that conversion sometime.
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