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Period appropriate signage (WHITE KING SOAP)
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:05:02 PM »
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Since we seem to have a few typography experts around here, I thought I'd ask for advice. I'm looking at building this as a background building for my Los Angeles manufacturing district. What kind of font is it, and what colors or shading would have been likely? This building is all about the sign. I'm assuming white, but there is a shaded portion of the lettering which could have been in color? Red? Grey? Thoughts appreciated...
As an aside, White King made soap that was a household word around Los Angeles and elsewhere ...
Otto K.
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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2017, 12:08:19 AM »
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I'd say it's white with 4 shades depending on the facing.


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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2017, 01:01:14 AM »
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Have you tried Googling "White King Soap"?  They have a lot of images, including a few in color of building signs, and you might find what you need there.

The building signs I saw (first few lines, I didn't dig deep) seemed to be all white, without shading.
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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2017, 01:41:31 AM »
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I searched "white king soap" and only found one photo of the building, one of the 2 shown above.

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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2017, 01:44:46 AM »
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I searched "white king soap" and only found one photo of the building, one of the 2 shown above.

I found both shots at much better resolution.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7273/la1thehomeofwhitekingso.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4945/la1whitekingsoapcompany.jpg


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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2017, 02:34:41 AM »
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Here are some White King color images. Maybe they'll help.

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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2017, 02:49:40 AM »
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One other thing, you can look here and maybe find a Sans Serif font that is what you are looking for: https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/list/classification/sans%20serif
They also have a font matcher here: https://www.fontsquirrel.com/matcherator
If you upload a flat, straight-on image of the White King logo, it might be able to identify the font.

If you don't have graphic image manipulation software, GIMP is a poor-man's Photoshop and it's free: https://www.gimp.org/
It has all the features that are used most in Photoshop. If you find the font, make the letters really huge in GIMP and then stroke the letters. Your image will look better if it's really large and you scale it down for printing. If you can't figure out how to stroke letters with GIMP, let me know and I'll give you detailed instructions.

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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2017, 04:16:44 AM »
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I think their advertising and the building's sign are different.

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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2017, 07:20:13 AM »
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There is a font just like that on the http://www.Letterheadfonts.com site

Edit: this is close (note the E and K):

http://www.letterheadfonts.com/fonts/oldblock.php
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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2017, 08:23:59 AM »
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I'm assuming white, but there is a shaded portion of the lettering which could have been in color? Red? Grey? Thoughts appreciated..Otto K.

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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2017, 09:31:24 AM »
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Some of the responses here are confusing me.  You guys do see that the lettering on the building is beveled right? Sort of like the History channel logo without the serifs.

Sort of like this :


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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2017, 10:28:23 AM »
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The Krona One font is similar, but not quite right.
https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Krona+One

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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2017, 10:47:20 AM »
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[sigh]

It's sign painter's lettering. As I have said before on these snipe hunts, these old signs are not "fonts", but custom renditions done on the spot. There may have been a sketch on a napkin over lunch, and I'm sure the client got all excited about the suggestion for the 3D beveled "chiseled" look. (Thanks for underscoring that, Jason. Where'd you find that sample?) If it followed a pattern or an alphabet example, the letter proportions were adjusted to fit the available space.

If a client came to me and requested "match this", knowing that it was old-school custom signage, I would not go to my font books, but, rather, quote 3-4 hours for an artist to reproduce it, starting by modifying the image in Photoshop with perspective tools and then tracing. Everybody involved would be time and money ahead.
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Re: Period appropriate signage
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2017, 11:14:02 AM »
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Thanks for underscoring that, Jason. Where'd you find that sample?

'bevel font'  google image search.


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Re: Period appropriate signage (WHITE KING SOAP)
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2017, 11:52:30 AM »
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Wow, thanks guys! Some great advice here. This is why I love TRW! And it is such a cool, modelable building!
Speaking of which, that brings me to the next question: what is the size of the large window module? Judging by the size of the gentleman standing on the dock, ladder rungs, and general inclination of the building industry of the era to use standard dimensions rounded off to feet, I'd guess 8' x 12' openings, with 4' verticals and 6' horizontals? That would yield floor to floor separation of 16' (which seems not quite enough?) and a footprint of  52' x about 160'. Does that sound right? Unfortunately, the building is long gone so we can't go measu it.... Thoughts?
Jason, thanks also for the links to better photos, they show the building in much better detail.
Thanks again everybody!
Otto K.