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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 12:26:17 PM »
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That's how NS does it!

And that's exactly the way to deal with declines in other business. It's what made Alfred E. Perlman such a great railroader. When business was rough, he went to go get more of it.

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 03:31:45 PM »
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NS should buy all CP !!!!
Thanks ,
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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 07:21:42 PM »
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NS should buy all CP !!!!

Heh, if your boat is floating, why jump to a sinking ship?

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 11:51:28 PM »
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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2016, 11:55:22 AM »
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:D :D :D :D

Looks like CP has put Hunter on retainer: http://www.bnn.ca/i-m-a-hired-hand-hunter-harrison-to-stay-with-cp-rail-as-consultant-after-retiring-as-ceo-1.529536

Let's hope it's an exclusive deal, so he can't go ruin any other railroads.

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2016, 03:28:08 PM »
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For three whole years... that might keep him out of trouble.

And did you catch this in the article:
The announcement came hours after CP issued a separate statement saying that one of its board of directors has resigned, days after he lost an appeal of gross negligence penalties for not reporting $18.85 million of taxable income from dividends.

Huh.

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2016, 04:56:46 PM »
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:D :D :D :D

Looks like CP has put Hunter on retainer: http://www.bnn.ca/i-m-a-hired-hand-hunter-harrison-to-stay-with-cp-rail-as-consultant-after-retiring-as-ceo-1.529536

we are sure now that CP Steam # 2816 will not see the mainline for another 3 years ...
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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2016, 05:32:48 PM »
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we are sure now that CP Steam # 2816 will not see the mainline for another 3 years ...

Well it's not for lack of capacity. The term 'Sleepy Rail' is pretty apt given the amount of business they've lost in the past year or so (Cdn Tire was just lost to CN I'm told... not sure when the traffic will move over to CN). They're retiring AC4400's... not officially, but the shop guys know that 9500-9583 will likely never run again (many on shop trucks now, their trucks harvested for use under GEVO's 8700-8759 to replace the maintenance intensive steerable trucks), and 9584-9684 are pretty much in the same boat. The 8500's are coming out of storage not as some grain in moving, but really, they have had half the fleet stored for much of the year. Anyone else junking their AC4400's yet?

As for 2816, I'm glad I shot her a few times when she was touring the east... suspect it'll never return.

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2016, 07:50:08 PM »
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Well it's not for lack of capacity. The term 'Sleepy Rail' is pretty apt given the amount of business they've lost in the past year or so (Cdn Tire was just lost to CN I'm told... not sure when the traffic will move over to CN).

I saw a westbound CN transcon though Winnipeg full of crappy tire, so its happening. Im not sure if CP lost all of the CT traffic, if so that will be pretty devastating...

As for the 9500s they're 21 years old now, most of that spent in heavy service (coal, grain, potash). GEs have never had longevity on their side, most C30-7s were nearing the end of their life at 20 years...

As for 2816, I'm glad I shot her a few times when she was touring the east... suspect it'll never return.

I chased the empress across north western Ontario the last cross country trip... (2004?) Am glad now that I was able to since I think she's stayed out west since then.
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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2016, 06:44:23 PM »
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I saw a westbound CN transcon though Winnipeg full of crappy tire, so its happening. Im not sure if CP lost all of the CT traffic, if so that will be pretty devastating...

As for the 9500s they're 21 years old now, most of that spent in heavy service (coal, grain, potash). GEs have never had longevity on their side, most C30-7s were nearing the end of their life at 20 years...

All of the Cdn Tire traffic is what I've heard... just like that grabbed OOCL. CN underbidding and just using the cans for fill on existing trains. Between Toronto and Montreal CN 148/149 average over 500 axles, which is significant if one factors in the number of articulated cars on a given train. Have heard of more that a few being over 200 platforms. With a slower economy and lower volumes, I believe they see advantage in filling their monsters with as much as possible, and over the life of a contract (no idea what that is, btw), saving even a few points per can will add up for the shipper.

I've heard that GE is interested in seeing all of CP's AC4400's replaced with ET44AC's... no surprise there. It's possible they're going to work out some multi-year replacement plan, but it's all rumours for now. And it's not like CP's hurting for power. First visible thing EHH did on CP was reduce number of units per train and increase length per train. 112/113 on the Belleville Sub were always 3 big units and 114/115 always two big units. Now, all was combined into 112/113, which is always 2 big units in 1+1 configuration. Five became two. He did the same on CN, and I've heard more than a few crews express their sincere joy at having two units and 11,000 tons on the pin approaching the ruling grade between Mtl & Tor, knowing full well they'll drop to 8 or 9 mph... assuming something doesn't die on them.

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2016, 06:47:04 PM »
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All of the Cdn Tire traffic is what I've heard... just like that grabbed OOCL. CN underbidding and just using the cans for fill on existing trains. Between Toronto and Montreal CN 148/149 average over 500 axles, which is significant if one factors in the number of articulated cars on a given train. Have heard of more that a few being over 200 platforms. With a slower economy and lower volumes, I believe they see advantage in filling their monsters with as much as possible, and over the life of a contract (no idea what that is, btw), saving even a few points per can will add up for the shipper.

I've heard that GE is interested in seeing all of CP's AC4400's replaced with ET44AC's... no surprise there. It's possible they're going to work out some multi-year replacement plan, but it's all rumours for now. And it's not like CP's hurting for power. First visible thing EHH did on CP was reduce number of units per train and increase length per train. 112/113 on the Belleville Sub were always 3 big units and 114/115 always two big units. Now, all was combined into 112/113, which is always 2 big units in 1+1 configuration. Five became two. He did the same on CN, and I've heard more than a few crews express their sincere joy at having two units and 11,000 tons on the pin approaching the ruling grade between Mtl & Tor, knowing full well they'll drop to 8 or 9 mph... assuming something doesn't die on them.

Slight update to this conversation. Moving west from Winnipeg I chased either 101 or 105 across Saskabush and there was still a significant chunk of Canadian Tire traffic, so If CN is getting all of it, it is still in transition... I'll see what i can hear once I get out of the classroom and start my OTJ training. Not that I'll see much Intermodal in Red Deer...

On the subject of stored power no kidding! Moose Jaw was full of SD40-2's and 9500's (on steerable trucks) (both units were mixed together, either good news for the SD40s (when things pick up) or bad news for the 9500s lol) and if they haven't been moved all the 9100's should still be sitting "for sale" in Winnipeg...

On the bright side, there's lots of traffic on the Leduc/Red Deer subs!  :D

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2016, 09:21:35 PM »
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Getting back to NS...

Watched this last night.
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First, it makes me sad I missed the Buffalo Line in its prime. Second, it makes me want to get back to Ken McCory's.

Third it makes me wonder why the hell NS runs traffic from Northumberland to Binghamton for classification before sending it back west again. Why not just run it all down to The rather under utilized hump at Enola?? Any ideas?

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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2016, 11:09:49 AM »
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Getting back to NS...

Watched this last night.
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First, it makes me sad I missed the Buffalo Line in its prime. Second, it makes me want to get back to Ken McCory's.

Third it makes me wonder why the hell NS runs traffic from Northumberland to Binghamton for classification before sending it back west again. Why not just run it all down to The rather under utilized hump at Enola?? Any ideas?

Nice video Ed , thanks for sharing !
Thanks ,
Louis



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Re: D&H Upgrades by NS
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2016, 12:15:39 PM »
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Some years back, got to ride the line on shippers special, most of the ride in the caboose (N5c). Lock Haven to Olean and return. Train moving at 50 for the most part. Some of my friends I had come along still say it was the best day of their lives.