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MT Weathered July
« on: July 15, 2014, 08:58:03 PM »
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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 09:05:36 PM »
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That GN car is totally wrong for my era what with th roof walks and all but hubba hubba.
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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 09:28:05 PM »
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Ya I agree on the wrong era. I like the CN car, but that high brake wheel is kinda hard to look over and let go.

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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 09:32:31 PM »
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That GN car shouldn't be running on anyone's layout, unless they model a scrap yard or wherever BN would've been scrapping it. Note the white line.

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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 09:43:49 PM »
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That GN car is totally wrong for my era what with th roof walks and all but hubba hubba.

For sure? As Ed said, it's deadlined or being used for storage only. Most people would want a runner for the price, obviously. But it's easily converted to MOW for (say) BN; just patch over the old number and decal in a new one. Nicely done weathering in any case.

As for the graf cars, I always wondered if they have a staff tagger. And if they copied real pieces from 1:1 cars, did the "artist" ever try to sue?

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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2014, 09:48:46 PM »
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As for the graf cars, I always wondered if they have a staff tagger. And if they copied real pieces from 1:1 cars, did the "artist" ever try to sue?

Shipsure (Joe) said that he is the tagger of the MT cars.  The lawsuit on graffiti is an interesting concept. IIRC DKS has posted some info about this in the past.
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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2014, 09:54:02 PM »
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...The lawsuit on graffiti is an interesting concept. IIRC DKS has posted some info about this in the past.

The courts should break all the fingers of the artists/vandals who are trying to sue.


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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2014, 10:15:03 PM »
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The courts should break all the fingers of the artists/vandals who are trying to sue.


Hmm... Kiz is always so
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*agrees with this, more than I should*

Still, there's enough creativity in some of that vanda... err, tagging to fall under the laws that apply to art.

Of course, it's still vandalism, so any compensation the "artist" might win should then be awarded to the railroads who's property he spray painted.

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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2014, 10:42:28 PM »
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It generally qualifies as art (probably subject to interpretation -- your local gang tag might not qualify) and is copyrighted from the moment of creation. You have to get lawyers involved to defend your copyright, so what apparently is happening is that the famous ones that moved to galleries now have the money for lawyers and are basically the ones doing the suing. There was a dust-up over the recent J.Lo Fiat ad where the car rolls by real street graf.

Now suppose you go put funny mustaches on the cute bunnies in some graf to use for your purposes and THAT is legitimate use for the purpose of parody. They can still sue you and you could go broke from court costs, but the courts will rule for you.

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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2014, 12:34:41 AM »
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I like the CN car, but that high brake wheel is kinda hard to look over and let go.
The 1966 FRA law was no roofwalks after (I think) 1978 and the deadline was extended a few more years. Cars would keep their high brakewheels and access ladder until whenever the next major shopping happened; see FRA 49 CFR 231.27. Nothing specified about brakewheel placement other than relative to the brake step. There would just be a stencil that stated there was no roofwalk.

Further, I would doubt that the change to lowered brake equipment was for the benefit of trainmen that lost the ability to climb. It was probably more due to replacement equipment that only came that way.

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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2014, 04:16:46 PM »
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An old plug door and Mechanical Reefer with a roof walk both with modern graffiti?  :facepalm: :facepalm:   (did someone break into a RR museum and tag stuff up?)

I think the graffiti and weathered stuff from MT is awesome, but older cars with modern tags kills it.


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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2014, 05:24:06 PM »
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I think the graffiti and weathered stuff from MT is awesome, but older cars with modern tags kills it.

This.

And MTL's answer is "it still sells" but then again so does the stuff that clings to reality...so that argument is a little bit out there.   I guess they don't have to make as much of it that way?  Who knows.   I've had trouble getting even just the legit schemes so maybe this is an attempt to try and rebuild some kind of collector market.   I've quit getting excited about the releases anymore since I can't get them.

On a side note, I was railfanning this morning on the way into work and saw another "Gufe" covered hopper...this one on a UP car so we'll never see that one in production.   But I still thought it was pretty cool.
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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2014, 07:40:32 PM »
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Has Micro-Trains to ask the railroad companies (like UP, BNSF, CN, etc.) for permission if Micro-Trains wants to put Graffiti/tags on the models?

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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2014, 09:57:43 PM »
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So then if we take photos of graffiti on cars and then create decals from the photograph, do we owe the creators? I know personal use is probably ok, but what about companies that make decals for sale from such sources?  :facepalm:

Hmmm, maybe MT and Microscale could hire a couple taggers and help the inner city unemployment rate? Get a kid off the street program here we come.  8)

Who owns copyright on this one?

 

 20140712_145707 by peterkoehler-pfotenhauer, on Flickr
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Re: MT Weathered July
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 10:30:50 PM »
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Offered for your enjoyment:

http://jipel.law.nyu.edu/2013/04/protecting-artistic-vandalism-graffiti-and-copyright-law/

Even better question:

Banksy (famous artist) paints a UP boxcar.....   UP sells the boxcar for $2million to art collector.   Does Banksy deserve anything????


Question #2:

Microscale:  we copied this grafitti from a UP boxcar

Banksy:  Hey that's mine - send me money!!!

Microscale:  Ok and we will send your name to the UP Police since you are admitting to vandalism.




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