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New locomotives for AMTRAK
« on: May 13, 2013, 08:08:38 AM »
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http://news.msn.com/us/amtrak-unveils-new-locomotives-to-replace-aging-fleet
Just saw this.
Which manufacturer is most likely to be the first to offer a model version in n-scale?

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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 08:51:35 AM »
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Model Power.  They'll find a way to bastardize an old Mehano shell to get "close enough." :trollface:

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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 09:44:58 AM »
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I wish the article had better pictures, but that new locomotive reminds me of an AEM7, but perhaps a little sleeker.  Considering the look of the Acela and the HHP8 that's refreshing for me.  Now, if they would do something about their current paint scheme.  Bring back Phase II or III, please.

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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 10:00:52 AM »
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In profile these are seriously ugly locomotives. Not "American looking" at all, with side details so sparse as to look like a Brio toy. Wheelbase is unusually short, too, so I have to wonder how well they are going to track.

Front and profile pix here: http://www.westcoastrailforums.com/thread-7501.html
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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 10:07:07 AM »
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Found another photo of one.  Would look good if you painted sharks teeth on the front.


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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2013, 10:20:31 AM »
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Other then a tad boxier, they don't look any different the the newer ones on NJ Transit,

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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 10:34:03 AM »
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It's a Chinese design:

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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 10:51:42 AM »
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great - I can't wait for certain political commentators to get a hold of that fact. :facepalm:  It will surly speed the process of getting Amtrak Capitol funds to buy these.
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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2013, 11:32:02 AM »
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Trying to find the positive spin, international licensure for complex machinery is a given these day. And given their massive recent build-out, there is no denying that the Chinese are ahead of us in electric railroad engineering.

OTOH, from firsthand experience, Siemens is an incredibly bad actor when it comes to securing contracts with US agencies. They manipulate any "US-sourced" contract wording by forming ghost divisions that are ostensibly US-based, but are nothing more than fronts for importing high-dollar goods. It's not that other companies don't do this - it is rampant, after all - it's just that Siemens is singularly unapologetic about it when they thumb their noses at you having beat you out of a bidding situation when you (and they) know that 99% of the money is going offshore. It stinks.
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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2013, 11:51:09 AM »
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The ACS-64 looks as close to the AEM-7 as it does that Chinese locomotive.  All new electric road locomotives look about the same.

Fact is that it's not Chinese at all.  It's a Euro design.  Ironically though, it does look a heck of a lot closer in aesthetic appearance to that Chinese model than the European models it's actually based on.  It's pretty clear that, for whatever reason, they wanted something that looked similar to the existing AEM-7.  As the wide array of aesthetic appearances that its European counterpart indicates, they can make the carbody look like damn near anything; they just seemingly went out of their way to give it a decidely 'conventional' AEM-7 appearance.

EDIT:  It appears that the new model could be similar to the Chinese one above; but not because it's a "chinese locomotive" but because Siemens is presently having 180 EuroSprinters produced locally in China.  So they're about as much "Chinese" as these Euro locomotives are "American" just because they happen to be assembled in California.
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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2013, 11:56:25 AM »
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Maybe Amtrak chose based on performance metrics?

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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2013, 12:03:49 PM »
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Interesting, and thanks for the correction. Seeing that I can't read Chinese, obviously I missed the possibility that they could have been imports.

It's still butt-ugly.  :trollface:
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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2013, 12:12:19 PM »
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What does Amtrak use currently in the NEC?
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Re: New locomotives for AMTRAK
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2013, 12:30:10 PM »
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It's still butt-ugly.  :trollface:

Agree with you there.

One further correction -- not to keep harping on you, but your comment on the short wheelbase made me curious myself -- this model is actually considerably longer than the present AEM-7 model, which is a tiny midget of a thing about the size of a MP15 switcher.  I couldn't find actual wheelbases (didn't look that hard) for the AEM-7 but with the ACS-64 being fully 20% longer in the body and almost the size of modern road power, it's virtually impossible for it to actually have a shorter wheelbase than the AEM-7.

It's just that big slab-sided body makes it impossible to get a good feeling for the length.  And in a quarter-view the thing looks much smaller than it is.
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