Author Topic: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific  (Read 1868 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

luis_lopes

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 113
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +4
    • My modelling blog
Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« on: May 02, 2013, 02:02:29 PM »
0
Hi.

I am traying to find a way to have Southern Pacific stuff on my layout... The bloody nose units are very nice, and I always loved this livery.

I know that Conrail made a bid on Southern Pacific 1,5B USD before Union Pacific toke over this railway company.

So... do you think that having some SP units on my layout is not a problem, along with some Cotton Belt and SP rolling stock?

I am sorry for this question, but I can't find any info...


Leggy

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 625
  • Respect: +19
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 02:13:15 PM »
0


I see no reason why you couldn't have western visitors.

wazzou

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 4876
  • #GoCougs
  • Respect: +678
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 02:30:17 PM »
0
Hi.

I know that Conrail made a bid on Southern Pacific 1,5B USD before Union Pacific toke over this railway company.


I am curious...where did you hear or read that?
Bryan

Member of NPRHA, Modeling Committee Member
http://www.nprha.org/
Member of MRHA


lock4244

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3444
  • Ontario - tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax
  • Respect: +76
    • My train pics
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 02:49:53 PM »
0
SP power showed up in Buffalo on a regular basis, as well as BN, C&NW, SF, and UP. They (SP) came up via St. Louis, so you'd see them between there to as far west as Selkirk and/or Pittsburgh. Sure they roamed elsewhere on CR as well.
Welcome to Ontario... we've got a tax for that.
My train pics:
http://tinyurl.com/62uk24
More here:
http://www.railpictures.ca/author/lock4244

davefoxx

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 9221
  • Gender: Male
  • TRW Plaid Member
  • Respect: +2609
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 02:51:27 PM »
0
I think SP or Cotton Belt is plausible as run-through power during the Conrail era.  In fact, I seem to recall a picture of an SP locomotive being used as power on the Winston-Salem Southbound Ry. (a short line in North Carolina) of all places.  Oh, and if that doesn't convince you, the Port Road video (I don't remember if it's during the Penn Central or Conrail era) shows a freight train with SP bay window cabooses tagging along!

Hope this helps,
Dave Foxx

General Counsel to the Laurel Valley Ry.
Member: ACL/SAL Historical Society
Member: Wilmington & Western RR
A Proud HOer

conrail98

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 1443
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +34
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2013, 03:19:53 PM »
0
Conrail attempted to purchase the Cotton Belt or at least attempt to block the SP/UP purchase of it so it would be conceivable any of the trains coming out of the Southwest onto Conrail could have SP/SSW power on them,

Phil
- Phil

Bob Bufkin

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 6396
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +42
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2013, 03:31:58 PM »
0
I Know PRR had runthru agreements with SP and CB&Q (later BN) and I've seen photos of those unts running into NJ yards.  Guessing that PC and later Conrail may have still had these agreements in force.  So go for it.

wazzou

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 4876
  • #GoCougs
  • Respect: +678
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2013, 04:18:29 PM »
0
Conrail attempted to purchase the Cotton Belt or at least attempt to block the SP/UP purchase of it...

Phil


Again, out of curiosity...is this in print somewhere?  I'm intrigued by these statements.
Bryan

Member of NPRHA, Modeling Committee Member
http://www.nprha.org/
Member of MRHA


rswinnerton

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 1313
  • Gender: Male
  • The Anti-Ed
  • Respect: +19
    • Luxury Rail Travel
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2013, 04:44:50 PM »
0
Bryan,
It's true.  Conrail wanted to stop UP/SP from getting it and gain access to areas served. Ill see what else I can dig up on it.
Russ Swinnerton
Dr. of Ferroequinology
www.LuxRailTravel.com

rswinnerton

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 1313
  • Gender: Male
  • The Anti-Ed
  • Respect: +19
    • Luxury Rail Travel
Russ Swinnerton
Dr. of Ferroequinology
www.LuxRailTravel.com

learmoia

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 2468
  • Respect: +355
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 05:31:28 PM »
0
Comment Removed.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2020, 07:46:22 PM by learmoia »

wazzou

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 4876
  • #GoCougs
  • Respect: +678
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 05:35:18 PM »
0
Russ -

Thanks.  I wasn't so skeptical of the truthiness, more that I just did not recollect those matters or the context.
Bryan

Member of NPRHA, Modeling Committee Member
http://www.nprha.org/
Member of MRHA


Dave V

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 9544
  • Gender: Male
  • The Route of the Galloping Goose
  • Respect: +5015
    • Dave Vollmer's N Scale Pennsy
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 06:12:53 PM »
0
Read The Men Who Loved Trains for the complete story of the corporate shenanifoonery that led to Conrail's formation and eventual split.  Great read.
Silver San Juan Scenic Line

Member SlimRail Modular Colorado Narrow Gauge
http://www.slimrail.net/

luis_lopes

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 113
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +4
    • My modelling blog
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2013, 07:22:49 PM »
0
Thank you so much ror these answers. Now I  can add some Bloody nose units to my rooster.

Cheers

ljudice

  • Crew
  • *
  • Posts: 3047
  • Gender: Male
  • Respect: +152
    • NS/CR Camp Car Models
Re: Conrail Vs Southern Pacific
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2013, 08:01:03 PM »
0
I always suspected that had CR gotten part of the SP, that the 8100 class C44-9W's would have come with the sale, since they were heavily used in that part of the network by that time.