Conrail Vs Southern Pacific

[luis_lopes]

Hi.

I am traying to find a way to have Southern Pacific stuff on my layout... The bloody nose units are very nice, and I always loved this livery.

I know that Conrail made a bid on Southern Pacific 1,5B USD before Union Pacific toke over this railway company.

So... do you think that having some SP units on my layout is not a problem, along with some Cotton Belt and SP rolling stock?

I am sorry for this question, but I can't find any info...

[Leggy]

I see no reason why you couldn't have western visitors.

[wazzou]

Hi.

I know that Conrail made a bid on Southern Pacific 1,5B USD before Union Pacific toke over this railway company.

I am curious...where did you hear or read that?

[lock4244]

SP power showed up in Buffalo on a regular basis, as well as BN, C&NW, SF, and UP. They (SP) came up via St. Louis, so you'd see them between there to as far west as Selkirk and/or Pittsburgh. Sure they roamed elsewhere on CR as well.

[davefoxx]

I think SP or Cotton Belt is plausible as run-through power during the Conrail era.  In fact, I seem to recall a picture of an SP locomotive being used as power on the Winston-Salem Southbound Ry. (a short line in North Carolina) of all places.  Oh, and if that doesn't convince you, the Port Road video (I don't remember if it's during the Penn Central or Conrail era) shows a freight train with SP bay window cabooses tagging along!

Hope this helps,
Dave Foxx

[conrail98]

Conrail attempted to purchase the Cotton Belt or at least attempt to block the SP/UP purchase of it so it would be conceivable any of the trains coming out of the Southwest onto Conrail could have SP/SSW power on them,

Phil

[Bob Bufkin]

I Know PRR had runthru agreements with SP and CB&Q (later BN) and I've seen photos of those unts running into NJ yards.  Guessing that PC and later Conrail may have still had these agreements in force.  So go for it.

[wazzou]

Conrail attempted to purchase the Cotton Belt or at least attempt to block the SP/UP purchase of it...

Phil

Again, out of curiosity...is this in print somewhere?  I'm intrigued by these statements.

[rswinnerton]

Bryan,
It's true.  Conrail wanted to stop UP/SP from getting it and gain access to areas served. Ill see what else I can dig up on it.

[rswinnerton]

http://articles.philly.com/1996-07-08/business/25622323_1_union-pacific-southern-pacific-conrail-stock-bankrupt-northeastern-railroads

[learmoia]

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[wazzou]

Russ -

Thanks.  I wasn't so skeptical of the truthiness, more that I just did not recollect those matters or the context.

[Dave V]

Read The Men Who Loved Trains for the complete story of the corporate shenanifoonery that led to Conrail's formation and eventual split.  Great read.

[luis_lopes]

Thank you so much ror these answers. Now I  can add some Bloody nose units to my rooster.

Cheers

[ljudice]

I always suspected that had CR gotten part of the SP, that the 8100 class C44-9W's would have come with the sale, since they were heavily used in that part of the network by that time.