More from Chuck: MTL PS2s

[Denver Road Doug]

Doesn't matter.  I predict that in 5 years we'll have a grand total of 6 road names and maybe 11 numbers from this.  It's an exciting announcement but, like Kato, it will go nowhere fast.

[sirenwerks]

According to the March "95 MM, ~10,500 low to ~13,000 high.

2/94 RMJ states a total of high and low side 4427s production was "over 19,300". Granted, 23,500 is more than 19,300 but there's significant discrepancy between the two reliable sources. Enough to cast doubt over both figures. Perhaps the MM number includes production of the 4,475s and 4,650s?

[ednadolski]

It also says proper car height above the rails and photo-etched roofwalk. Nice... we have a winner here by the looks of it.

Awwright!  Thanks Joe & MT!  

Any info on the roadnames & numbers that will be offered?   I'll have to start collecting some proto pix for weathering...

Ed

Edit:  Undecs work for me too   

[chessie system fan]

According to the March "95 MM, ~10,500 low to ~13,000 high.

2/94 RMJ states a total of high and low side 4427s production was "over 19,300". Granted, 23,500 is more than 19,300 but there's significant discrepancy between the two reliable sources. Enough to cast doubt over both figures. Perhaps the MM number includes production of the 4,475s and 4,650s?

I went back and added up all the cars in the roster and it came to 12,156 cars.

[asarge]

There were alot more 4427's than that. I thought I read somewhere that it was over 23,000 4427's of both kinds built with the high side being the higher total. I saw the 23,000 number in the Kalmbach Freight Car book too.

[chessie system fan]

This was probably not James Kinkaid's best article.  He writes "Some 26,000 cars of both designs were built with 10,647 orders for the early design, and nearly 13,000 of the later version." :

[asarge]

I'll have to try and find out where I saw that Aaron. Maybe the Morning Sun Book. What Rosters were you talking about.

[wcfn100]

This was probably not James Kinkaid's best article.  He writes "Some 26,000 cars of both designs were built with 10,647 orders for the early design, and nearly 13,000 of the later version." :

'Orders' aren't the same as numbers of cars.  Also, there were split orders i.e. half to one road, half to another.


Jason

[chessie system fan]

The article includes a list of original owners, along with the road numbers, date built, lot number, lessors and number of cars of each order.

[Mark5]

So the early (1964-66) 4427s were low side, and high sides starting in 1966. That sound right?

[sirenwerks]

So the early (1964-66) 4427s were low side, and high sides starting in 1966. That sound right?

That sounds right.

[JoeD]

I went with the high side because it was distictive and there were a number of cars with low sides already.  This one is visually striking and even with a few thousand less than the high side, we have more roads than we can do in two lifetimes.  Also don't get too comfortable with the old way of releasing stuff.  With the runners packs we have a means to get more cars out there.  If I could justify doing sets of 8 or 12 or more, I'm sure we would do that, but I doubt the sales volume is there....but you never know!!   ;D   Maybe it could be something like the Pullmans where we have an undec that's already painted with dim data and nothing else.  That would make marking them easier..?  Lots to consider.
Right now I don't know what schemes, but next month we should be addressing that.

Cheers

Joe
MTL

[Mr. G]

So, a detailed model with body-mounted couplers of a modern, widely-used prototype, with runner packs likely on the way.  This is really awesome.  I'm looking forward to these.  Thanks, Joe and MTL.

[bbussey]

... Also don't get too comfortable with the old way of releasing stuff.  With the runners packs we have a means to get more cars out there.  If I could justify doing sets of 8 or 12 or more, I'm sure we would do that, but I doubt the sales volume is there....but you never know!!   ;D  ...

Hopefully you're also looking at runner packs for the heavyweights, but with four fully-lettered cars and not necessarily four cars of the same bodystyle.  That's a good way to get consists on the market at an affordable price - basically the method Kato used for the Super Chief.  For example ... instead of issuing the Great Northern RPO last year and three successive Empire Builder cars from June through August, the four cars could have been issued together as a runner pack.

[daniel_leavitt2000]

Joe, I personally don't have much use for another grain car but I will get a few anyway. This is a huge step for MTL. I hope those PD 5000 hoppers come out this good  ;D