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sirenwerks

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Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« on: March 28, 2010, 01:13:30 PM »
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Does the future of N scale Modeling, and that's modeling with a capital 'M' if you know what I mean, lay in an open source ideal?

I was poking around www.shapeways.com to see if it had potential to produce N scale 60s - early 70s vehicles I need so bad. Basically, you submit 3D drawings they do the rest, and you leave the 'product' up for them to continue selling. I know the process is the same one used by MakeMyModel.com, and there are many complaints about the condition of those models, their materials and level of detail, etc. Shapeways offers that same or a similar plastic material used by MMM or they also offer metal, and the material is chosen by the originator, I think.

Shapeway's profit sharing details aside, this sort of open source modeling concept seems to hold promise for certain, specialized N scale products and there are already a number of Euro N scale products being offered. I'm not saying the process is perfect for everything (like horns) but for certain items, like the mythic Conrail cab signal box all the CR queens whine about ( ;D), the process seems perfect.

The drawbacks of the system are that it would limit profitability for the originator and it leaves purchasers with a 'buy at your own risk' situation, with product coming from a non-modeler producer. But it would remove the hassle of production from the originator, provide them some benefit from their work, and product would be available, seemingly, in perpetuity for everyone. Sure, no mom and pop business profits from it, but do they ever? They seem to pop up (pun intended), sell, complain, and disappear, taking one or two indispensable products to the grave after we got hooked on them.

Then I saw 71jeep's great home-designed, commercially etched PRR N6B caboose and I thought, why not etching too? No Shapeways exists for etching, that I know of. So we would need a place to collect posted drawings for etched products for all to access. The person who desires a certain model downloads it and sends the drawing off to the commercial etcher and deals with production him or herself.

All we need are modelers who've done the work and don't mind giving product. And those who use the drawings would be free to make a donation to the originator through PayPal or whatever. That's how it could operate until we get a 'we handle all the business and everyone profits a little bit' set-up like Shapeways, at least.

Does the future of N scale Modeling lay in open source?


Side note - I have a friend who works with guys who've used Shapeways to create gaming pieces in metal. I hope to see a few examples in person soon to report back on quality.
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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 06:02:01 PM »
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Come to think of this, this is the model used in Train Simulator - everyone working to increase the availability of models, routes, etc....

I'd surely do it if there was a chance of getting some decent models out of it, but the problem for me is that the process used at MMM.com (which I am familiar with) is just way, way too crude for my requirements.

I think you're right though - this is a winning idea and eventually the cost/benefit will be right.

Lou


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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 07:55:55 PM »
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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 09:45:25 PM »
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Ummmmmmmm N scale locos running on Android!
I WANNA SEE THE BOAT MOVIE!

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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 10:08:56 PM »
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I'd like to hear what Chris333 has to say about the idea, since he's so prolific with the etching and does such wonderful work, for himself (not a jab).
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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 03:08:49 AM »
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well my whole post just disappeared  :-X

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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 03:12:32 AM »
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Well the jist of what I already wrote, grrrrrrr.

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I was poking around www.shapeways.com to see if it had potential to produce N scale 60s - early 70s vehicles I need so bad. Basically, you submit 3D drawings they do the rest

This is what 71jeep did. Made a drawing and sent it off.

A while back there was a thing on shapeways in RMC, here is the guys blog who did it:
http://www.proto87.org/d/?q=blog

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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 07:57:36 AM »
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Well, one of the obvious problems would be with the product that you mention:  Automobiles.  Lately, everything under the sun seems to be a licensed product.  How long will it be before the lawyers at GM, Ford and Toyota shut the whole thing down for compromising their intellectual properties?  (Not that there's much intellectual about a 71 Nova...)

Or would you, as a modeler, be satisfied with the type of androgynous autos that are produced by Woodland Scenics, where the car has enough architectural hallmarks to identify it by era, but not so much that you can identify it by make or model?

Seems to me if we're going to go to the trouble to create drawings and use a process that achieves a particular level of detail, we'd be inclined to want to get it right.

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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 08:29:13 AM »
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Then I saw 71jeep's great home-designed, commercially etched PRR N6B caboose and I thought, why not etching too? No Shapeways exists for etching, that I know of. So we would need a place to collect posted drawings for etched products for all to access. The person who desires a certain model downloads it and sends the drawing off to the commercial etcher and deals with production him or herself.

Brian

check out this yahoo group started by an N scaler

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MODEL-ETCH
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Re: Is the future of N scale.. open source?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 12:45:52 PM »
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Hey Ian, that 'train running by Android' thing isn't that far-fetched...

http://jmri.sourceforge.net/help/en/package/jmri/jmrit/withrottle/UserInterface.shtml

Bruce