The ethanol cars over at the refinery and the BNSF yard aren't where I can walk-up and measure them like all the other tankcars and everything else down in the SKO yard. (Charlie the owner of the RR doesn't care what you do in the yard as long as you don't hurt yourself, or do stupid things.) I think I know all the engineers and conductors and "brakemen" that work this end of the road by name, half of them from the train store. Their idea of "security guards" are the street people that hang-out on the south-end of the yard (that I need to keep a good look-out for. Cameras and wallets mean cheap booze, gold spray paint or drugs to them. My two good freinds Heckler and Koch always go with me down in the yard. One-on-one, they don't worry me, but 4-5 of them at a time, isn't good.) Anyway Lou, I'm having a harder time convincing myself the Con-Cor cars are worth it, even with the MT trucks, the cars, the GMM details at cost. I sure wish Atlas would do the cars the Con-Cor's are supposed to be.