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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2017, 10:35:19 PM »
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Be conscious of your caboose construction. Manybrarly cabooses weren't build to handle much stress. The engines would be cut in ahead of these cabooses. Later cabooses were built with more rigid steel frames and the engines could be added behind them and cut on the fly.

Yep. This is a good point. I believe all of the commercially available PRR cabin cars are "good to push", but the NDs and N6s possibly weren't.


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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2017, 11:19:57 PM »
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The talk of pushers and cabooses reminded me of an incident involving the N&W Jawn Henry, the experimental Steam turbine.  It was used mainly for pusher service east of Roanoke on the Blue Ridge grade.  My dad, who was a N&W MOW employee at the time, and I were heading home from Roanoke.  He saw a westbound freight stopped east of the Blue Ridge grade.  As I remember, he knew something had happened so we stopped and walked across a bridge over the tracks.  I clearly remember looking over the bridge to see the rear of the train with splintered pieces of red and cream colored wood scattered along both embankments.  My dad explained to me that the train was starting to be pushed before the lead locomotive started and the end result being the pusher engine collapsing the wooden caboose.  We found out later that the conductor and brakeman in the caboose escaped before it basically exploded.  We later saw that the Jawn Henry was the pusher engine involved.  I was around 5 years old at the time but I still remember that scene today.

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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2017, 11:44:47 PM »
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The talk of pushers and cabooses reminded me of an incident involving the N&W Jawn Henry, the experimental Steam turbine.  It was used mainly for pusher service east of Roanoke on the Blue Ridge grade.  My dad, who was a N&W MOW employee at the time, and I were heading home from Roanoke.  He saw a westbound freight stopped east of the Blue Ridge grade.  As I remember, he knew something had happened so we stopped and walked across a bridge over the tracks.  I clearly remember looking over the bridge to see the rear of the train with splintered pieces of red and cream colored wood scattered along both embankments.  My dad explained to me that the train was starting to be pushed before the lead locomotive started and the end result being the pusher engine collapsing the wooden caboose.  We found out later that the conductor and brakeman in the caboose escaped before it basically exploded.  We later saw that the Jawn Henry was the pusher engine involved.  I was around 5 years old at the time but I still remember that scene today.
Presumably the caboose in this photo would have had a steel frame?
http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/thumbs/photos/NW04375.jpg

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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2017, 01:10:37 AM »
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The guy on the platform sure hopes so... :facepalm:
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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2017, 03:55:58 AM »
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Did somebody say helper engines?
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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2017, 05:28:39 AM »
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Did somebody say helper engines?
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That is an awesome pic. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2017, 09:32:25 AM »
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Presumably the caboose in this photo would have had a steel frame?
http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/thumbs/photos/NW04375.jpg

Correct. All of the CF wood cabooses had steel frames (built starting in the 19-teens). All of the later classes were all steel (CG, CH, C2, C3, C31, etc).


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Re: Helper/pusher service
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2017, 10:02:24 AM »
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The Western Maryland's Black Fork Grade between Parsons and Thomas, West Virginia was a spectacular place to see helpers.  In days of Consolidation steam locomotives, it was not unusual to see two on the front, three cut in the middle, and two on the back of a loaded 70 car train.  There are some amazing photos of the plumes of smoke rising over the train as it crawled up the valley.
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