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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #450 on: May 17, 2011, 10:42:54 PM »
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Very good!  I think everything I have has done OK through my #5s in Enola.

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #451 on: May 17, 2011, 10:50:09 PM »
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You can also use 7s if you wanted, although the one that's at the top of the wye works better as a 5. The geometry of some areas would have to change, like the bottom right.
 

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #452 on: May 17, 2011, 10:53:18 PM »
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My druthers would be #7s on the mains and #5s on the sidings, but that #5 at the top of the wye seems inevitable, unless I toss a curved turnout in there...  The outside track has a 15" turn radius which happens to be the inside curvature of an Atlas curved turnout.

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #453 on: May 17, 2011, 10:59:40 PM »
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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #454 on: May 17, 2011, 11:03:53 PM »
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Wow, that's it!  I'm all over that.

So now the other cool thing (or not) is that the top leg of the wye will change this scene:



This scene could benefit from a PRR-style concrete overpass.

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #455 on: May 17, 2011, 11:06:50 PM »
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Wow, that's it!  I'm all over that.

So now the other cool thing (or not) is that the top leg of the wye will change this scene:

This scene could benefit from a PRR-style concrete overpass.

Ah, Lee won't like that. I think I'd be tempted to make the double-track bridge concrete, and the single leg of the wye an open-deck plate girder, or something simple, like this:
 
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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #456 on: May 17, 2011, 11:08:36 PM »
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Either way, it's great to have you back, David!  Thanks again!

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #457 on: May 18, 2011, 12:01:56 AM »
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Reference Perryville, Maryland.
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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #458 on: May 18, 2011, 02:16:11 PM »
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Perryville has much to teach me...!  Perryville has some low clearances, however, and I'm actually in a good place clearance-wise here.

In the meantime, look for the current version of the Juniata Division in the July/August 2011 N Scale.

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #459 on: May 18, 2011, 05:02:54 PM »
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Perryville has much to teach me...!  Perryville has some low clearances, however, and I'm actually in a good place clearance-wise here.

In the meantime, look for the current version of the Juniata Division in the July/August 2011 N Scale.

That's great news!  I look forward to the issue!  When should that issue hit the newsstands?

As for Perryville, I'm probably the closest a$$hat to that location, so let me know if there's any information or pictures that might help you or provide inspiration.

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #460 on: May 19, 2011, 01:28:22 PM »
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Thanks, Dave!  I may take you up on that.

As for the connecting piece between the yard and the original layout, I'm not 100% sold on doing Sherman's Creek.  There were other bridges between Enola and Lewistown, including a pair of stone arch bridges just west of Newport, as discovered by the CRHS crew.  Moreover, perhaps just a simple interlocking scene sans bridge.

http://thecrhs.org/Images/CR-5045-at-Port-Tower-in-Newport-PA

...or I could get fancy and model Newport with its brick station and the Hard Hat bar...!

Nah.  Pair of crossovers and an interlocking tower like PORT would be hawt.  But then your could conceivably see DAY tower, PORT tower, and LEWIS tower within a 4' distance.

Hmmm...
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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #461 on: May 20, 2011, 02:48:38 PM »
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As for the connecting piece between the yard and the original layout, I'm not 100% sold on doing Sherman's Creek.  There were other bridges between Enola and Lewistown, including a pair of stone arch bridges just west of Newport, as discovered by the CRHS crew.


Of course, if you do that, I want to see railfans appropriately perched on the adjacent bridge.  Can you model drool?  ;D

Moreover, perhaps just a simple interlocking scene sans bridge.

http://thecrhs.org/Images/CR-5045-at-Port-Tower-in-Newport-PA

...or I could get fancy and model Newport with its brick station and the Hard Hat bar...!

Nah.  Pair of crossovers and an interlocking tower like PORT would be hawt.  But then your could conceivably see DAY tower, PORT tower, and LEWIS tower within a 4' distance.

Hmmm...

My only concern with not doing crossovers would be access to Enola from the outer loop on the east end of the wye.  The sketches show two mains running from the wye, over the new connector, and into Enola.  Assuming that the switch that joins the two mains at Summerdale is removed and the two mains are allowed to simply continue around all the way to the connector, how does an eastbound train entering the wye access Enola without a new crossover?
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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #462 on: May 20, 2011, 03:22:42 PM »
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The crossovers will need to be there for the very reasons you state.  The question, however, becomes the density of towers.  I can remove DAY and place it farther back in the yard where it really belongs.

...or put the tower right outside of Enola and make it BANKS or VIEW, removing DAY entirely.

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #463 on: May 22, 2011, 07:23:12 PM »
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David:

I always like the great renditions you provide for for track planning. For a non-"rail' they show some good common sense and are well thought out.

Dave, as far as the switchback in Lewistown is concerned, I have worked several on many railroads and while
sometimes a pia they serve their purpose and are often necessary to serve an industry.

Barry               

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Re: Expanding the N Scale Juniata Division
« Reply #464 on: May 22, 2011, 08:27:54 PM »
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David:

I always like the great renditions you provide for track planning. For a non-"rail' they show some good common sense and are well thought out.

Thank you, Barry. I appreciate the feedback.

I'm also putting every siding and industry in play, hence the question marks.

Dave, I think we had a good discussion a while back about replacing the coal mine, which looks just a tad awkward being so close to town. Other than that, the rest of the industries that are already in place work well, IMO.
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