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PiperguyUMD

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Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« on: February 28, 2026, 06:50:26 PM »
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Because I can’t possibly focus on one project at a time, I’m starting to think about the next one. I’ve been collecting parts to build a trio of Western Maryland H9 consolidations. On previous Steam projects I didn’t worry about modifying running gear because I knew that chances are I would ruin a perfectly good model. Since then however, I’ve printed cylinders to accept Kato parts and that went pretty well, so maybe I can up my game. I know this is Walschaert‘s valve gear, but I’m wondering if I can do a better job of modeling this, specifically the crosshead (#1) and valve guide/slide (#2)- are those the correct terms?



My starting point will be a Bachmann 2-8-0. I’d like to use the stock cylinders but I could 3d print a set of it made it easier to attach the valve gear. I’m leaning towards 3d printing the valve guide (#2) but not sure how durable that might be. Also not sure of how to make the crosshead (#1) and how it might be attached to the main rod.

So,

Does anyone have experience with modifying valve gear?

What of these parts, if any are available on production models?

Would 3d printed parts stand up to the wear that occurs on these parts?

Any solution needs to be cost effective and easily repeatable since I’m building 3. Looking forward to spitballing ideas!


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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2026, 07:43:29 PM »
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Any solution needs to be cost effective and easily repeatable since I’m building 3. Looking forward to spitballing ideas!

Etch them. You should be able to design a set of etched slide bars that fit into a 3d printed cylinder. All the thin motion bits should be metal. You could also just cut them out with a piecing saw if you don't want to go to the trouble of designing etch artwork.

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2026, 09:16:26 PM »
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A Berkshire should have that crosshead and guide.

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2026, 12:36:37 AM »
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UP Big Boy uses that type of valve gear. Maybe you could buy it as parts from Athearn or Kato. Also, while not exactly the same, most European locos used this type of gear. Fleischmann made dozens of steam loco models in N scale and they have spare parts available.
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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2026, 11:10:10 AM »
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The new BLI  2-8-0?

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2026, 01:58:57 PM »
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Yeah... I have done it, and generally do it, the hard-core old fashioned way of cutting and shaping all the pieces out
of metal.

Here's the relevant page from my 0-6-0 project that covers making the crosshead, the guides, adding the rivet detail, making
the main rod, and then attaching the main rod to the crosshead.
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=37591.210

Some general recommendations.  I would not make the guides out of brass, because the "brass" we generally get our hands on
from K&S strip material is kind of soft.  It might hold up, but I'm not sure.  I would try to find some nickel silver, or nickel, or
phosphor bronze strip.  Sadly, my go-to source for all that stuff, Eileen's Emporium, has gone out of business since I did this
0-6-0 project.  Perhaps others can chime in with a new good source for fine strips in these other metals.

Attachments - I try to use the tiny micro bolts shown in my photo reference above, because they are in scale, and
they really look like bolts.   Thankfully, a lot of that stuff has survived and is available from
https://modelmotorcars.com/collections/small-parts-hardware?page=1.  They even still have bolts down to M0.5.

In your case, it looks like the crosshead has a big smooth-headed rivet holding it to the
main rod, rather than a hex-head bolt.  Well, how much accuracy you want here is up to you.  I think I'd put an M0.5 bolt in there.
But the scale hardware (at modelmotorcars) does have really fine rivets you could use, and then you put a tiny washer on the back
and hit it with a dot of flux and solder to hold it.  You could try placing it all on a steel plate and tapping it with a jeweler's hammer
to flare it like  real rivet, but I have never had much luck doing that with parts this small.  I think it's easier to solder a washer back
there.

The rivet detail can be Archer rivet decals if you still have them (they are gone now).  Your crosshead has a lot of small rivet
detail on it so they would do a good job if you can get them.  Even better, you can still buy tiny plastic rivets for detail like this
made by MasterClub in Russia, and a quick poke around the web shows them to be still available.  They make an amazing array
of super small rivet and bolt detail parts all from plastic.    Their MC435023 has a head that is only 0.6mm in diameter and a shank
that is 0.3mm in diameter.
Here is one source that carries them: https://www.super-hobby.com/catalog/Accessories-307661.html?search_keywords=spherical+rivets&search_buy_mode=full_offer&search_back_url=%2Fcatalog%2FAccessories-307661.html%3Fsearch_keywords%3Dspherical%2Brivets
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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2026, 02:04:19 PM »
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Max, they are back.  https://www.archertransfers.com/pages/miscellaneous  Rivets are listed under Surface details.
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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2026, 02:13:09 PM »
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Max, they are back.  https://www.archertransfers.com/pages/miscellaneous  Rivets are listed under Surface details.

Whoa!  That is so great to see!  Thank you for posting this.  It renews my hope for scratchbuilding (at least a little).

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2026, 03:26:18 PM »
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Thanks for the heads-up, Peteski.  I just ordered the assorted rivets sheet and assorted louvers sheet. Shipping was $6.50 which is resonable these days.
Best regards,

Roger

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2026, 07:38:48 PM »
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Thanks for the insight all!

I've used Kato GS-4 parts for my WM Potomac. It appears that the Kato FEF, GS-4, and Big Boy all use a variation of the same style running gear, in that the crosshead hangs from a single bearing surface.



I do think that I may be able to use the crosshead (with some Max inspired modifications) and possibly the main rod from this set, but the bearing surface doesn't look to be a match, as it only has 1. This photo does a better job at showing the part I'm talking about. Does anyone know what it's actually called? 😵‍💫



If there's not anything like that out there, perhaps I can get away with making a new crosshead (not even sure that's the right term either 😅) and fabricating the guides out of square nickel tubing.

btw @mmagliaro I've followed all of your steam threads very closely, but the pics where gone when I clicked link. Did anyone else have that problem or just me?

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2026, 08:08:34 PM »
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The term you're looking for is Slide Bars. The crosshead (you got that one right) slides on them as the piston moves in and out.

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2026, 11:19:53 PM »
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btw @mmagliaro I've followed all of your steam threads very closely, but the pics where gone when I clicked link. Did anyone else have that problem or just me?

You might need to change a browser setting to let you view photos not hosted at an https URL (mine are not).
In Firefox, this is something called  HTTPS-Only Mode  and you would change the setting to be
"Don’t enable HTTPS-Only Mode"
I don't know what it would be called in other browsers.

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2026, 06:22:49 PM »
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Here is the real thing!


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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2026, 12:47:27 PM »
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Having built a few of these in O Gauge, you definitely need nickel-silver (not nickel-plated steel or nickel). If you have a small jewellery rolling mill, you could actually just take a length of track and roll the slide bars on that. The brilliant Albion Alloys make nickel-silver rod and bar.

https://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/albion-alloys-nickel-silver-rod-nsr06/
https://www.sundwiger-mw.com/en/strip-products/nickel-silver/

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Re: Anyone tried custom valve gear?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2026, 07:19:08 PM »
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Having built a few of these in O Gauge, you definitely need nickel-silver (not nickel-plated steel or nickel). If you have a small jewellery rolling mill, you could actually just take a length of track and roll the slide bars on that. The brilliant Albion Alloys make nickel-silver rod and bar.

https://www.scalemodelshop.co.uk/albion-alloys-nickel-silver-rod-nsr06/
https://www.sundwiger-mw.com/en/strip-products/nickel-silver/

This makes me curious.  I did indeed use nickel silver for the rods I have made, mostly because I knew it had to be something hard, yet shapable and solderable.  But why not nickel or nickel plated steel?  Aren't they both harder than nickel silver?  And you could still file and drill them (although I wouldn't trust soldering to a plated steel).