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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #210 on: November 21, 2025, 08:51:34 AM »
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My understanding is that only the FVM original tooling went to ScaleTrains. The former Deluxe, Red Caboose, Precious Masters, etc stayed and sold under the Scale America line

Okay, that still leaves the various Milwaukee horizontal ribbed boxcars, H30 hoppers, Milw and B&O wagon top bay window cabooses, various modern ribbed boxcars, the Hiawatha 4-4-2 and passenger cars, the B&O wagon top boxcar, Milw transfer caboose, and various trucks, including the best leaf spring caboose trucks ever made in N. All of that tooling has been collecting dust since the Scale-Trains acquisition.
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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #211 on: November 21, 2025, 08:58:58 AM »
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THIS bothers me the most. I was looking forward to weathered and beaten up versions on a monthly base.

Gondolas to collect scrap metal from Alter Metal, Pembine, WI   ;)

Why would you think that weathered (and clean) GONX gondolas won’t commence?
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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #212 on: November 21, 2025, 08:59:17 AM »
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In addition to the destination of the tooling, the Reddit poster also is misinformed about the printing technology not being available overseas. My contractor acquired the same equipment that Micro-Trains had and they’ve been releasing quality photo-realistic mural models since earlier this year, albeit in scales larger than N. The front end of that equation is mastering the artwork in Photoshop. I’ve been practicing, and it can be mastered in a few weeks. Smooth side cars are much easier than rib side cars, as you have to remove multiple Sol-generated shadows from the latter. But Photoshop does have the capability to do that, although not in a single step. That’s where most of the practice is required. Also, the artwork is created at 3x N scale, and any illegible lettering in the photo is masked and retyped if desired.





I agree on this one..

I noticed that post as well.. along the lines of "Only 2 people alive know how to do our weathering process" or something along those lines.

Sorry, that is just false (and dangerous thinking)... If you can figure it out.. there are thousands of people overseas that can figure it out.. (if they haven't already).

And lets recall that MTL's first ventures with this process were.. sketchy.. (Thinking of that wood side boxcar that sent @peteski into a tizzy..)

And how is Atlas producing these?


Did MTL do it?, or do they already have the technology available?

And how do we know that Atlas isn't offering jobs to those two people?

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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #213 on: November 21, 2025, 09:15:30 AM »
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And lets recall that MTL's first ventures with this process were.. sketchy.. (Thinking of that wood side boxcar that sent @peteski into a tizzy..)
Tizzy? Very funny Ian.
I was just reporting my findings as I often do online. The quality of the printing was disappointing to me and I was just showing what I found.  Obviously the printing technology and MTL's skills were still in their infancy. Over the following years both have improved dramatically.  They learned to print in best possible orientation to minimize visual artifacts, printer resolution improved over the years, and they also learned to clear-coat the models to further improve the appearance.

I still prefer the quality of Tampo printing over ink-jet for solid colors on unweathered cars, but for color gradients and weathering direct-to-substrate ink-jet printing works really well, especially with the contemporary high-res printers.

ANd of course other model companies all over the world are using this technology.  I have seen models from Fleishmann and even Kato with some graphics ink-jet printed, and some diecast automotive models are also decorated this way, so no, it is not exclusive to MTL  Yes, some past Atlas N scale offerings have also been decorated (likely in China) using this technology.
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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #214 on: November 21, 2025, 09:37:39 AM »
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Atlas posted a statement that the tooling is not going to China.

Atlas needs to remove their statement.   It is at best misleading, and otherwise unnecessary.

For those that have not seen it:

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There’s been a lot of talk about Micro-Trains tooling being ‘shipped off to China,’ so let’s clear that up right away. While Micro-Trains has had some limited production in China in recent years — at some of the same factories Atlas uses — none of the U.S.–based tooling is being moved to China. That assumption just isn’t accurate.

Atlas has been around for over 100 years. The company was started by an immigrant from Czechoslovakia, and over the decades manufactured products in the U.S., Japan, South Korea, Austria, Germany, England, Italy, Yugoslavia, Brazil, and yes, China. The point is: Atlas has always used a global production mix, choosing partners who can meet the quality, tooling and cost requirements for each specific product — not relying on any one country.

Something that often gets overlooked is that Atlas has always been headquartered in New Jersey. That’s where administration, R&D, marketing, advertising, parts and repairs, customer service, and distribution all take place. Those are American jobs that stay right here. On top of that, Atlas regularly works with engineers, designers, and consultants from across the United States on product development, tooling, electronics, and problem-solving. A lot of U.S.-based expertise goes into every product line, including we hope, some MTL employees who are offered Atlas jobs, and decide to stay.

To be clear, no Micro-Trains molds or tooling are being sent to China. The core operations will remain firmly in the United States, and Atlas is actively looking to employ former Micro-Trains team members. Our goal is simple: preserve the Micro-Trains product line, support its skilled workforce, ensure product availability, and maintain the same high level of quality and fidelity that customers expect from Micro-Trains and Atlas.


While their assertion (doubling down on it, for emphasis!!!   It MUST be true.) that the tooling isn't going to China is probably correct, the reality is that it isn't staying the US and probably will end up in Vietnam.    So this long diatribe is more "thou doth protest too much" versus any honest and heartfelt "promise".    And I don't think anyone actually believes the tooling would stay stateside in this situation anyway.   So you're making this statement to assuage the fears of ....who exactly?

This is a REALLY BAD look, IMHO.

Don't be shady, Atlas.   Own it.



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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #215 on: November 21, 2025, 09:53:52 AM »
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You f***ing **** tease! Don't DO that to me in a doom and gloom thread. hahahahahhahahahahah

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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #216 on: November 21, 2025, 09:57:04 AM »
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It is kind of crappy how they were called into a room and told they no longer work here and to clean out their stuff. I think that part could have been done better.

I think we need to be clear that that was an MTL failure.  Not Atlas.  Eric Smith, as a leader of that organization, had an obligtion toward long range planning, growing leaders below him, and navigating disruptions that come in any business venture.  Yet it was "no one to take over and I want to retire".  And, if this was the true path forward, better communication could have helped. 

Now everyone is on their back foot in this one.     

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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #217 on: November 21, 2025, 10:01:15 AM »
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My trepidation with "other" East Asian sources in Atlas' experience recalls the first-run VO-1000 by Ajin. Granted, that was 20 years ago, so refinement in the tech is going to help us here, but I frankly don't see new sourcing being a smooth transition.
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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #218 on: November 21, 2025, 10:04:10 AM »
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from Reddit:

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All employees were fired this morning except the skeleton crew to process remaining orders. Everything is being packed up and shipped to China. The quality can not remain the same because only 2 of us know the special printing process we have worked a combined 20 years to perfect, and we aren't training atlas on the process that is for sure. If you like the weathered and graffiti cars they will definitely not look as good. Prototypical clean releases may look as good since everything will be printed in China as a fraction of the cost per print we had been paying US workers to do it

His history checks out with his claim that he worked for MTL.  However, confirming that tooling was being packed up is one thing.  Leaping toward the rumor it was then shipping to China is probably anger vs truth.  I'm sure Wednesday sucked for those folks. 

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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #219 on: November 21, 2025, 10:08:21 AM »
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If other Eastern manufacturing options are opening up at a lower price point, this is a good thing. For now. I mean, obviously the same thing could happen down the road as happened with China in terms of pricing...but if for now we can keep costs down and avoid the tumultuous relationship we have with China right now, those are good things.

I wonder if Blackstone might be able to take advantage of that. China is sitting on all the tooling for their current line, but they've been wanting to do more D&RGW locomotive classes and have done all the design work for the K-28 and the K-36.

If China's suddenly not the only game in town, the industry has options. And competition. This makes me slightly hopeful for the future of manufacturing the old fashioned way.

I think on-demand 3D printing is going to be the over-the-horizon future, but for now, this could be good.

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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #220 on: November 21, 2025, 10:22:09 AM »
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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #221 on: November 21, 2025, 10:24:26 AM »
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If other Eastern manufacturing options are opening up at a lower price point, this is a good thing. For now. I mean, obviously the same thing could happen down the road as happened with China in terms of pricing...but if for now we can keep costs down and avoid the tumultuous relationship we have with China right now, those are good things.

European manufacturers (like Fleischmann and others) have their models produced in Eastern European countries like Romania for few years now. But I wonder if the parts and materials still come from China?
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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #222 on: November 21, 2025, 10:29:18 AM »
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European manufacturers (like Fleischmann and others) have their models produced in Eastern European countries like Romania for few years now. But I wonder if the parts and materials still come from China?

I guess I have some implicit biases to overcome. I interpreted "Eastern" as Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, etc. Wasn't even thinking Eastern Europe. Interesting.

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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #223 on: November 21, 2025, 10:37:54 AM »
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I guess I have some implicit biases to overcome. I interpreted "Eastern" as Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, etc. Wasn't even thinking Eastern Europe. Interesting.

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Re: Atlas acquires Microtrains
« Reply #224 on: November 21, 2025, 10:50:31 AM »
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His history checks out with his claim that he worked for MTL.  However, confirming that tooling was being packed up is one thing.  Leaping toward the rumor it was then shipping to China is probably anger vs truth.  I'm sure Wednesday sucked for those folks.

When it comes to this topic,  I think alot of people group all of the low cost Asian producers and just use the term "China".

So while Atlas's statement may be technically correct, it is false in the nature of people's concern.

What comes to mind is the Taco Bell beef story years ago..

Claim: Taco's Bell's Ground Beef is only 35% beef by volume.
Taco Bell: That is TOTALLY FALSE!!... (It's 65%)
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