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The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« on: February 27, 2025, 11:00:47 AM »
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This project started several years ago with rather minimal intentions.

I was aware that the majority of Climax A locomotives were actually narrow gauge, and after building several hundred kits for the standard gauge ones, stumbled onto the Rokuhan SA-001 chassis in Z, which by itself, it a little rocket sled, but was designed somewhat like the Kato 11-105.  I discovered I could marry the drive train and pickups with the Rokuhan trucks, and I'm off.

Now... I needed a test track.  With curves and switches.   Rokuhan also had Kato-like Z track in 4 1/2 inch radius, hmm....  and I'd already built several Ttrak modules.   So back in 2019 I made what was essentially a test track for Nn3, but on footprint as a Ttrak module.  The other 'coincidence' was that my PRR Salamanca Branch modules had a lumber mill just south of West Hickory, McCabe Lumber, that had a 3' Class A Climax.  McCabe is documented, but not photographed, and had both a catastrophic fire and then a flood in 1908.   The locomotive was sold to a sand operation not far away, and was photographed there.  That's my Class A, looks just like it.

I also met Mark Graulty (aka "Narrowminded") and he was expirimenting with doing Code 40 rail on printed tie strip, so I put that on my test track to see how it perfomed.   It made its first public showing in 2019, with my Nn3 Climax A running around on a loop as a demo, but it was all plywood plains.



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/McCabe%20Module%20Altoona.jpg

Nothing much more developed.   Then several things happened over the last couple of years.   First, after a couple of years, Mark's attachment method to the tie strips using Pliobond reacted terribly to the tie strips and they just disintegrated right at the rail base.  AND, the #4 Rokuhan turnout had repeated derailments with my Climax.   Had to replace the turnout, tear out all the Code 40, replaced it with Marklin sectional other than the Rokuhan loop.   Almost but not quite a complete fail.   

Now I'm wondering how this makes any sense as a sceniced layout module.  No photos of the real mill, but it was a small operation.  Circular saw instead of bandsaw.   Was right beside PRR line for sure.   So, I need a minimal log pond, and some kind of service siding,..... would have to be dual gauge?  Can that even be done?   Did an experiment on sawing up Rokuhan and gluing a third rail to one side making standard gauge.  OMG it works.   Nuts, but works....



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/Rokuhan%20dual%20gauge%2001.jpg

Now I need to dual-gauge a turnout..... and that worked too....   



Link: http://www.randgust.com/Rokuhan%20dual%20gauge%2003.jpg

and put in a pair of Marklin curved turnouts to get a log dump spur and a storage track where the mill would be, and open up a hole for a log pond.   That's by 2023 when I paired it with the Hickory Valley module as a dual demo at Altoona, but still more of a test track than anything else.  It did surprise me, though, how well the Markln curved turnouts worked, far better pickup and durability than I expected.  And painting the Rokuhan like a dirt embankment instead of ballast, painting the rail, and weathering the ties wasn't as bad as I expected.



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/McCabe1a.jpg

As I started to think of it as a tiny layout instead of a test track, you realize that you need a way to switch it, and you literally couldn't switch the pond without more track to swap trains.   The next major breakthrough was wondering if the Showcase Nn3 Shay could be modified like I did my Climax, adding a pickup truck to the front.......

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2025, 11:49:24 AM »
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I'll be watching this one with a great deal of interest!  Can't wait to see it in person.  Too bad Mark's track tricks didn't work out.

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2025, 12:51:16 PM »
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Nice solution for the dual gauge track.  This is going to be so cool!

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2025, 08:27:44 AM »
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Mark and I talked about the issue, he was convinced I got a batch of resin that reacted poorly, he'd changed his material, but I'd already replaced everything.  But yeah, the Code 40 on tie strip (no joiners, all individual feeds) looked fantastic.  Concept worked.

Now, it's a bit of a side detour but I'd never have gotten motivated to finish this module project without solid power, so....

I'd always liked the looks of the Showcase Nn3 and N logging locomotives that Tom Knapp designed, the castings were superb.  Unsure about the drives, and having a 'dead' pickup truck in the front seemed like a fatal flaw if you were doing anything with switches at all.   Having the pickup truck hot on my Climax A for Nn3 taught me about the Rokuhan truck, you don't suppose.....?

Well, yeah.   I used Kato leftover pickup strips, folded up, insulated with .005 styrene, and ACC'd to the bottom of the frame, to hit the pickup ears on the Rokuhan truck.   Hotwired back to the drive unit...   



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/Nn3shay01.JPG



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/Nn3shay04.JPG

And in testing, it worked spectacularly well.  Pickup was just solid.  Slow speed is excellent, using the Blue Snail controller I have. That convinced me to finish this thing with two well-performing Nn3 locomotives, because if it is at a show, you can be sure at least one won't work.

I was going to do a build thread on this, but it would just get lost on the narrow gauge forum.   I'm repeating the hot truck process (later) on the standard gauge N Shay, will do a thread then, same idea, using the Kato 11-105 truck for pickup.  That works too, by the way.

So I'll skip the the end, I've posted this before, but this is the end locomotive project.  Without well-performing, slow-speed logging locomotives, this entire project is a dud, so that cinched it, full speed ahead on this module.   With two, and Tom Knapps log cars and flatcars, this is a functioning project rather than a test track.



Link: http://www.randgust.com/Nn3shay21.JPG

This is the original test model for the Nn3 Climax A, I've weathered it heavily, this is the builders photo:



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/CL18Nn302.jpg
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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2025, 10:21:35 PM »
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Is McCabe Lumber any relation to the BTS sawmill?

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2025, 10:11:24 AM »
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Not that I know of.  My West Hickory McCabes had enough bad luck for two mills.  They started late - 1906, had a big flood that put all the inventory down the Allegheny River in 1908, put things back together, and got finished off by a fire about 1911.   The Climax A, however ended up at the Warren Silica / Ross Hill Silica in 1911 after the mill closed.   There are no photographs of the mill, and it only earned a single text column in Walter Casler's "Allegheny Valley Logging Railroads".   I've never found a USGS map, or a parcel map, or anything on it except newspaper articles and the locomotive record.   The little Climax A was such a honey though.  It survived until 1927.   

The sand operation is well documented in the book "Digging Sand" (Peterson).   Climax A's working in a quarry aren't particularly common.

The mill I'm doing is freelance, following general photos of the era, and heavily influenced by the design of the mill museum at Galeton, PA.
https://paparksandforests.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/pa-lumber-museum.jpg
That's the general layout and scale for a single-boiler, small circular saw mill.   McCabe listed a daily capacity of 40,000 feet a day, my Wheeler mill was 100,000 a day, and that West Virginia McCabe with a pair of double band mills could probably do that and much more.

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2025, 08:51:42 AM »
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Now the messy part.

I've been a believer in hardshell since I started model railroading.   What really cinched it was that I did it on the Hickory Valley module, then at one point dropped and rolled it down a flight of stairs.  The case held, the hard shell held, and I decided that the durability was worth the weight.  I'm well aware that foam is a lot lighter.  I did do one portable layout in foam layers and was never happy with it.

So, step on in what I have to do was laying out the backdrop, then the physical scenery to meet it.   The 'hidden part' of the loop is behind the hill.  No planned tunnel here, it will just disappear into trees on either end.   Lots of corrugated cardboard and cardboard strip, and a finish layer of newsprint.




Link:  http://www.randgust.com/McCabe05.jpg

Then the really messy part, cover everything in tape, paper and black plastic and start slinging plaster-soaked paper towel bits and a layer of patching plaster over top to smooth any irregularities....



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/McCabe06.jpg

Next, the usual coat of latex brown over everything, so that when I start texture materials there's always brown under there somewhere so no plaster ever shows.



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/McCabe07.jpg

Before I do ground cover and texturing I need to know exactly where the major structures go, so scenery progress stops for a bit while I scramble on the major structures.   I laid out the sawmill building after studying a lot of photos and figuring out where the loading dock and runways had to go.  And the engine shed, finished that one last night except for track doors.   Next will be the boilerhouse. I've also got a small water tank.
I've got to paint the 'creek' and pond bottom to get some depth illusion - one of the last things will be Woodland Scenics deep pour.

PS I'm also not a believer in Hydrocal.   'Real plaster', man, that stuff is really, really tough if you do it right and have the support system right.  I use wood glue (non-soluble) to assemble all the cardboard supports, and plywood connections.   And that painting is really important, because when you start putting down texture layers and spraying them in, getting water in the plywood and cardboard, you don't want that.

Oh, and those of you that saw the HVRR at Altoona will be reminded that I had to literally point when I wanted someone to throw a turnout for me, the Caboose Hobbies ground throws were so blended in to the scenery as to be invisible.  Big ugly black blobs, but not much longer.

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2025, 04:29:37 PM »
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Things operationally changed when I got the second locomotive.   Instead of 'switching cars', I'll just be 'switching trains' during a show.   It's pretty simple, I'm sure I'll get enough attention just by having running Nn3 logging on Ttrak.   I'll have one loaded log train behind the Shay, and another empty log train behind the Climax.   I'll shuttle those in and out of the 'hidden' hill side of the loop.   The speed on both these is absolutely creeping, they can do walking speed.  I have enough block isolation in DC I can hold a train at various spots.  But at least now I don't have to uncouple cars in Nn3!

I haven't decided yet if I'm going to use my sound system I developed on the HVRR, which was a tape deck for various train sounds and a loop MP3 player for the sawmill.   I observed at Altoona that the ambient room noise was loud enough that it's hard to hear anyway.   There's always the smart @$$ that asks why I didn't put sound in them.....   I made the Jamison Ttrak module so incredibly complicated with sound chips and working oil wells I have no particular appetite for repeating that level of animation, electronics and machinery.   I'm sure DKS could have a field day animating the inside of the sawmill, me....?  Not yet at least.

The only really tricky part of this was realizing that the dual gauge track ends up with the 'north rail' either under control of the Ttrak inner main standard gauge, or the isolated power control of the Nn3 track - which is a plug-in throttle on the fascia.   The Blue Snail hand-held only has a 9V battery in it, so I have none of the usual power headaches in this situation.  And on that dual gauge rail, I have a DPDT to control who has control of the dual gauge.   

My fathers sawmill had a 'transfer table' for the timber buggies right off the green chain sorter to go to the various runways, that solves my entire lumber handling problem.  Stay tuned.

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2025, 04:54:07 PM »
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What is the source of the sawmill buildings?

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2025, 06:56:20 PM »
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I looked at every kit out there and none were the right size or even moderately accurate, I'm doing 1904-11 remember.

Mill, boilerhouse and engine shed are all scratchbuilt, mostly wood with commercial windows.   I have an itty-bitty water tank kit from B&S structure co that will either be used or tossed, not sure which.

I've got all 12 of the Logging Railroad Era of Pennsylvania books, including what I contributed to, so I've got a lot of photos of smaller mills to emulate.


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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2025, 08:12:16 PM »
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I have the logging books besides the 2 that are hard to find. And last year bought the 2 book set that I thought was a full reprint... It is also missing the hard to get ones. Was worth the $, but I wish it had the missing sections.

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2025, 10:39:21 AM »
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This is getting down and dirty now on laying out the sawmill.   Lots of progress, basic building complete, trying to figure out the docks and the runways.

Nothing looks more like real wood than real wood, so this is an exercise in Northeast stripwood and sheet stock and staining everything before assembly.  The 'standard' construction method in that era was board and batten.   And nothing ever painted.  It was never expected to last very long.  In the case of McCabe, it didn't.    You look at other small mills for rather 'standard practice' and just wing it for a model.   I've laid things out basically to work out log length, which gives you carriage dimensions, an edger deck, and a green line with a trim saw.  Then to the runways.  My Dad's sawmill had that neat transfer table across the back for the pushcarts, that's the space solution for my runways as well.

My HVRR mill at Endeavor was a major mill, and they also had major fires to rebuild from.  So the entire plant, including the shops, was encased in corrugated metal sheet.  That's one of very few I've seen like that.   The little guys like this one never had that luxury.  It's amazing how many had wood shingle roofs, or tarpaper with battens on it.  No wonder they burned down.

That 1908 summer flood was a doozy, it washed out everything in a wide area, took out the PRR main line, the HVRR across the river, and reportedly washed the entire inventory of McCabe sawmill down the river.   They never really recovered from it.   There's a great postcard showing the HVRR track just diving into the creek from that flood, and up at Trunkeyville the PRR main dangling over a side creek canyon, almost took out the depot.



Link:  http://www.randgust.com/HVbridge1908.jpg
(that third rail was 48" dual gauge dating back to the Reno RR in 1887)

Trunkeyville - same flood washout, second photo, PRR main line, just missed depot


Link:  https://www.west2k.com/papix/trunkeyville.jpg

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2025, 11:14:58 AM »
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Progress on the enginehouse area, giving me motivation to carry the project forward:


Link:  http://www.randgust.com/McCabe08.jpg

Object is to get the footprint and basics of the major structures established before starting ground cover and scenery here.

That's what Marklin Z track looks like if it is painted and weathered.

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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2025, 06:16:17 PM »
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Once it's buried in grit it will be fine.  As much as true scale rail would dazzle in the photos, if the trains don't run, you've wasted the effort.

Coming together nicely.
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Re: The McCabe Lumber Ttrak module
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2025, 08:12:43 AM »
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Well, not like I didn't try.  I had high hopes for Mark's approach with Code 40 rail on tie strip, and I still have a bunch of it, but like you said, this is a 'running' module.   First sign of real trouble was when the gauge narrowed on a curve and the Climax A simply fell over sideways.