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ednadolski

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Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« on: October 06, 2022, 10:34:32 AM »
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Question for the product experts - I'm mainly looking at the body style, or something passably close.   I figure I can repaint to the MRL scheme and/or update the doors as needed.

The PS 5257:   https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=64925

The PCF 5265:  https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=22180

The BFF 5054: https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=30238

The Gunderson 6156: https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=25866

TIA,

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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2022, 12:09:39 PM »
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@ednadolski for the PS 5257, you could start with the Intermountain 5277 model, and modify the side sill per that rebuilt prototype.

The photo notes say these started as the older 5077 car, which is offered by PWRS...

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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2022, 12:13:51 PM »
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Question for the product experts - I'm mainly looking at the body style, or something passably close.   I figure I can repaint to the MRL scheme and/or update the doors as needed.

The PS 5257:   https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=64925

Ed, no idea on the others, but these were originally PS-5077s, rebuilt with higher roofs etc by MRL (RBOX series 14000-14999 built by Pullman-Standard, Lot 9794, class XPF10, Jan-Mar 1975 <--- this info from the railcarphoto link above).

PWRS  :facepalm: makes a 5077 but (assuming it matches the original RBOX series) still would represent the re-rebuild car.

The rebuilds took these from Plate B to Plate C.

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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2022, 07:43:42 PM »
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Question for the product experts - I'm mainly looking at the body style, or something passably close.   I figure I can repaint to the MRL scheme and/or update the doors as needed.
The Gunderson 6156: https://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=25866

The Intermountain car might be a reasonable starting point - it's a excess height car so you'd have to do some major surgery (the MRL car doesn't appear to be excess height), but at least there is a flat roof version.
https://www.intermountain-railway.com/n/html/6133001.htm
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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2022, 09:40:14 AM »
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@James Costello EDIT...  my bad, I was commenting on the first car in the OP  :facepalm:

The Intermountain PS 5277 is a Plate C car, and would just need some side sill work:



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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2022, 12:08:22 PM »
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@James Costello EDIT...  my bad, I was commenting on the first car in the OP  :facepalm:

The Intermountain PS 5277 is a Plate C car, and would just need some side sill work:



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@amato1969  Thanks for posting that pic!  Yes, it looks like the ribs/roof/wheelbase are on or quite close, and the only modifications needed would be the sill as you say, and then the door as expected.   (The weathering/tags on those MRL guys should be a project of itself ;) ).

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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2022, 12:22:00 PM »
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^^ Addendum:  Looks like the IM 67501 even has the Superior doors:

https://intermountain-railway.com/n/html/67501.htm


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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2022, 04:07:02 PM »
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@amato1969  Thanks for posting that pic!  Yes, it looks like the ribs/roof/wheelbase are on or quite close, and the only modifications needed would be the sill as you say, and then the door as expected.   

Better take another look at that.... (hint count those ribs)

As mentioned before, these are 5077s with raised roofs, not 5277s.

You'd rather start with the PWRS 5077 and add the extra bit to raise the roof rather than shorten and re-raise the roof on an Intermountain.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2022, 12:39:45 PM by cv_acr »

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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2022, 10:14:07 PM »
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Better take another look at that.... (hint count those ribs)

@cv_acr  am I looking at the same thing as you are?   I count 5 ribs on both the MRL 21024 proto pic and the IM undec (not including the end posts or door frame).

https://www.railcarphotos.com/pix/64/MRL_21024_64925_Denver_CO_Derek_Brown_2011_10_16.jpg
https://intermountain-railway.com/n/images/67501Sdoormw.jpg

On closer look it seems the IM shell could also use a bit of styrene strip right under the roof line as well.

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Re: Does anyone make any of these style boxcars in N scale?
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2022, 12:32:31 PM »
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Somehow I derailed my brain looking at the tiny thumbnail version of the image. (I wasn't logged in to RCP so only saw a little 1.5" image.) Not sure how I counted off.

On closer look it seems the IM shell could also use a bit of styrene strip right under the roof line as well.

That's because as stated several times, these are former "Plate B" P-S 5077s that have had their roof raised to "Plate C" clearance and increasing the volume to 5257.

The Intermountain model is a Plate C 5277.

To accurately model the MRL car from the Intermountain, you would have to first remove 6 scale inches from the height of the body (from below the eaves) and then add those 6 inches back in sheet metal between the top eaves of the sides and the roof itself. If you add height to the intermountain car you're too tall.

Or just use the IM car as a stand in and don't try to replicate the roof raising.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2022, 12:40:16 PM by cv_acr »