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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #135 on: December 12, 2021, 04:54:44 PM »
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My plan is showing trees between the NKP engine facility and the running/staging tracks behind it.  I was just looking at aerial photos from 1951 and 1962
(using https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer )  and realized that in real life this is where the Wabash ran (just south of the NKP yard and engine house) - and there were no trees between the NKP and Wabash there, just a 2-lane road.

The Wabash was double tracked there (likely a passing siding) too - with a row of trees to the south of it.

Thoughts on exposing the tracks rather than hiding them?
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #136 on: December 13, 2021, 10:48:16 AM »
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The plan here is shaping up nicely. I wouldn’t worry about having a road instead of trees as a view block, since the scene is of a rail yard. If there were a few more sidings for the Wabash and was used as a staging yard, I would probably reconsider using the road.

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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #137 on: December 13, 2021, 08:52:29 PM »
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It turns out that the Ft. Wayne  Union had no rolling stock of its own.  NKP, Wabash, and PRR took turns providing switching service.  NYC was the 4th owner but had no direct connection and didn't provide switching.

So I have an excuse for a Wabash or PRR switcher on the layout!
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #138 on: December 23, 2021, 03:39:51 PM »
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Looking for feedback here - I'm trying to choose between two different options for the NKP/Wabash crossing and interchange at New Haven.
NKP tracks are shown in white, Wabash in salmon-pink.  The blue turnout is part of staging and a DCC reversing section).
Both options hide a return loop - for practical reasons when I want to just run trains.

Option 1 includes a curved connection between the Wabash & NKP at the junction, so it can have a return loop.  This connection exists today, but was added by Norfolk Southern years after the NKP and Wabash were absorbed.    There's track hidden behind the trees (upper right corner of picture) where a Wabash transfer train can be staged, but no connection to the switch at the Junction.
The interchange track doesn't connect to the white track below it.



Option 2 doesn't have the curved connecting track, and doesn't need it.  Instead, the Wabash connects all the way to New Haven, forming a return loop through the interchange track.  My concern with this option is that the long Wabash track detracts from the NKP-ness of this end of the layout, and also clutters it up visually.   Although I forgot to color it pink, the Wabash track continues through the crossing just as in option 1.



Comments, criticisms, better ideas welcome!
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #139 on: December 24, 2021, 11:12:02 AM »
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I like option two since it has an active diamond. A lot of model railroads have dummy diamonds and this would add some operational variety along with showing off any Wabash power you may have, heck it would be cool to see the Cannonball clatter across the diamond while a hotshot NKP freight waits to head east.

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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #140 on: December 24, 2021, 01:31:56 PM »
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Hmm - well, the line to Detroit is still a dummy, but if I move the switch it's more workable.

But I'll probably do the Blue Bird, not the Cannonball.  Can fake up a good part of it with Con-Cor Budd domes.



I don't have any Wabash power yet - but I do have some Ann Arbor power (RS1 and FA) in the Wabash scheme.
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #141 on: January 15, 2022, 02:26:00 PM »
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I like option two since it has an active diamond. A lot of model railroads have dummy diamonds and this would add some operational variety along with showing off any Wabash power you may have, heck it would be cool to see the Cannonball clatter across the diamond while a hotshot NKP freight waits to head east.

Silly me - I said I'd rather do the Blue Bird, but of course that train went to Chicago and didn't run through Ft Wayne.  So Cannonball it is!  Plus an all heavyweight train in blue pulled by a PA would look awfully nice.
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #142 on: May 07, 2022, 07:50:47 PM »
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Another update on the plan.  This all started, like many layout changes, because we moved, but our new home is still being designed and won't be ready for layout construction for another year.   Space has changed a bit as the design evolved - it's now 9'6" x 12'10".
Here's what the proposed plan looks like now:



Pink is the Wabash part, and a DCC reversing section.
Blue is the Union Belt interchange, and a DCC reversing section.

The engine house is down to 3 stalls, and the yard is down to four tracks - I think I was trying to cram too much in.
Fort Wayne station is the pre-elevation version - an anachronism perhaps, but it works better, as there wasn't room to make the grades work easily.  Plus the old station and elevated crossing-gate tower looks cooler.


This will probably be it for a while, until the actual room gets closer to realization.
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #143 on: June 20, 2022, 08:03:58 PM »
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Still wondering if the turntable/engine house are within easy reach.

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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #144 on: June 21, 2022, 07:25:58 PM »
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Still wondering if the turntable/engine house are within easy reach.

It's an 18" reach to the center of the turntable, and 19" to the most distant engine house track.
The last staging track is a little far - about 28" - but has no turnouts or other trouble-causing elements at that distance.

I could knock about 1" off of those measurements by shifting the mainline a closer to the classification yard.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2022, 08:06:44 PM by nickelplate759 »
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #145 on: September 03, 2022, 10:05:51 AM »
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Another update.  The planned room size and door location had to change, so I had an opportunity to rethink a few things.
Track is now all level.  Ft. Wayne station area is back to the 1955 raised station, but I've dropped the ground in that area rather than raised the track.  You can now look at this area from the room entrance area (3D view in SCARM helped me visualize this).

I dropped one yard track to make the engine terminal area feel less cramped.  Similarly, I dropped the enginehouse from 5 to 3 tracks - 5 tracks fit, but it would be crowded.
Also in the terminal, I merged the enginehouse bypass track with the diesel service track, just for lack of space.





Turnouts in the version are #5, #7, #10 and curved.
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #146 on: September 03, 2022, 10:11:19 AM »
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Re: NKP-ish
« Reply #147 on: September 05, 2022, 12:34:13 AM »
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That’s going to be a signature scene for sure, I can almost smell the Coney Island hot dogs while waiting on that platform.