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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2021, 08:49:50 AM »
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I would be interested in the project.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2021, 08:57:23 AM »
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I got one from the last batch, but will take 2 more.
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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2021, 10:57:56 AM »
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Targeting a 1948-1950-ish PRR transition era so , yeah.  I'd take a few to go along with the ones I have from the previous run.
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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2021, 02:21:20 PM »
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I have a question though - why Kickstarter as a mechanism, as opposed to direct reservations with GHQ - or just making them, since the previous 250 disappeared more or less instantly?

We are looking into the Kickstarter because it's a pre-order/backing platform that most people are familiar with, and trust.  Additionally there are a lot of things that Kickstarter takes care of that can be a pain in the butt given the delay between when the reservations are taken and the products are shipped- did someone change the card that they use because it was lost/stolen, were they given a new card with updated card details, is someone now over their limit and can't get an approval, did someone just decide that they didn't want it and now wants to cancel, etc.  Given the number of backers that would be required to hit the goal, there are potentially some/many of situations like those that can come up.  We have never done a Kickstarter before, so we haven't been through the process.  From our point of view now, it is a platform that has been around for several years, seems to be used by many, there seem to be very few complaints, and there is name recognition for all parties which will put many people's minds at ease.  Of course we would rather not pay the Kickstarter fees, but if we do this we would like to eliminate as many potential hassles as we can.  As we noted previously, there are some other projects that we have in mind that we would for a program like this.  If this goes well, we will likely move forward with more.

Thanks for looking!
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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2021, 03:25:58 PM »
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I'm interested in some, but you haven't mentioned a price range yet.  How many I'm interested in would depend on cost.

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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2021, 03:26:09 PM »
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I got some from the previous runs and would get 2-3 more depending on cost.
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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2021, 04:09:14 PM »
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We are trying to gather pricing information for the items that we won't be making in-house, so that we can calculate the price that we will need to charge.  At this point it is estimated to be around $40.  Obviously if we do mover forward with a run we will have an exact price, so that everyone knows what they will be signing on for. 

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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2021, 05:10:50 PM »
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Thank you for the estimated price GHQ.  I'd be interested in 2-3.

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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2021, 06:21:41 PM »
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We are looking into the Kickstarter because it's a pre-order/backing platform that most people are familiar with, and trust.  Additionally there are a lot of things that Kickstarter takes care of that can be a pain in the butt given the delay between when the reservations are taken and the products are shipped- did someone change the card that they use because it was lost/stolen, were they given a new card with updated card details, is someone now over their limit and can't get an approval, did someone just decide that they didn't want it and now wants to cancel, etc.  Given the number of backers that would be required to hit the goal, there are potentially some/many of situations like those that can come up.  We have never done a Kickstarter before, so we haven't been through the process.  From our point of view now, it is a platform that has been around for several years, seems to be used by many, there seem to be very few complaints, and there is name recognition for all parties which will put many people's minds at ease.  Of course we would rather not pay the Kickstarter fees, but if we do this we would like to eliminate as many potential hassles as we can.  As we noted previously, there are some other projects that we have in mind that we would for a program like this.  If this goes well, we will likely move forward with more.

Thanks for looking!
GHQ

@GHQ , thanks for the detailed response.  Is the intent to only send kits to Kickstarter backers, or is the intent to offer additional kits for general sale through your website once the campaign is complete?


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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2021, 08:19:40 PM »
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What’s the latest plausible date this would be in service? Was it possibly kept for regular service after cessation of the ice reefer era? Related: how does the reefer jive with the PRR M&E train set as advertised by MTL?

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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2021, 08:45:46 PM »
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What’s the latest plausible date this would be in service? Was it possibly kept for regular service after cessation of the ice reefer era? Related: how does the reefer jive with the PRR M&E train set as advertised by MTL?

Early-mid 1960's in express service; none made it to PC in 1968 as express cars, though I think a few might have hung around in company service.  They were regularly assigned to M&E trains in refrigerated service, such as #11, with R50's for St. Louis and New Orleans.  Additionally, when refrigerated traffic was low they could end up subbing in for other car types for hauling stuff like newspapers and magazines.  So it would be a pretty solid addition to the MT offering.


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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2021, 09:15:47 PM »
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What’s the latest plausible date this would be in service? Was it possibly kept for regular service after cessation of the ice reefer era? Related: how does the reefer jive with the PRR M&E train set as advertised by MTL?
I'm not sure when the "ice reefer era" ended on the PRR, but ATSF was still operating its ice houses in the early 1970s, after the creation of Amtrak.  Which is to say, the  ice reefers outlasted the passenger train era, at least on ATSF. 
Lots of info on the cars and various paint schemes here, also links in the comments of the thread to more resources:
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=32623.0
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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2021, 09:45:14 PM »
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I got 2 last time around but can use about 10 more
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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2021, 10:11:39 PM »
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I love kits, so count me in for 2.

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Re: GHQ Pennsy PRR R50b reefer kit
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2021, 10:27:37 PM »
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What’s the latest plausible date this would be in service? Was it possibly kept for regular service after cessation of the ice reefer era? Related: how does the reefer jive with the PRR M&E train set as advertised by MTL?

From an earlier post about the R50b (edited):
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=32623.msg369843#msg369843


The Pennsylvania Railroad had 550 R50b high speed express reefers, numbered 2551-3100. They were 54'6" long and rode on PRR standard 4-wheel cast steel, friction bearing, 2D-P5 passenger trucks. The R50b reefers were used in express service from 1929 well into the mid¬60s, with a few remaining cars taken out of service just prior to the 1967 merger.

Express service was not limited to refrigerated goods. When not needed for refrigerator duties, the ice bunkers were collapsed and these cars carried dry, clean express shipments. For express service, their useable load capacity made them interchangeable with X-29s. Clean express commodities such as magazines would be shipped across the country in these cars, making them regulars on trains of other railroads.

In June of 1957, the ice bunkers removed from PRR 2500-2507 so they could be used only for express service.
 
As delivered R50b reefers: Passenger (P) car appliances (Approximate Time Period: [ATP] 1929-1944)
Originally, the car appliances were similar to those on passenger cars (P), with no roofwalk, ladder on the right side, and minimal side grabs. During the time period up to 1936, all of the lettering styles were gold. By June of 1944, all of these cars had been rebuilt with freight car appliances (F).

Rebuilt R50b reefers: Freight (F) car appliances (ATP: 1938-1967)
Beginning in 1938 and through June 1944, 548 R50b reefers were rebuilt with freight car appliances (F). This rebuilt freight appliance version of the car is represented by the kit.

The R50b reefers were rebuilt with standard freight car appliances by changing the following:
– adding side ladders
– changing to a single-sill step type
– moving the end ladders to the left side
– moving the brake wheel
– adding a brake platform
– adding a platform above the end ladders
– adding a defect card holder
– modifying handholds
– adding a pressure retaining valve
 
The “freight appliance” version of these cars were decorated in 11 different schemes with buff (delux yellow) colored lettering as described in the tables. Lettering placement was the same for all schemes. Refer to the pictures for more information.

With some effort, this kit could also be modified to represent the original (P) or modified passenger (P2) appliance rebuild.

Rebuilt R50b reefers: Passenger (P2) appliances (Approx. 50-60 cars)
In June of 1952, a revised car arrangement drawing was issued, and it indicated that the roofwalk and side ladders be removed, limiting cars to passenger express service. The issue also seems to have called for the removal of all the freight car safety appliances (P2). A year later the drawing was revised to no longer remove all the freight car safety appliances, so the end ladders and brake wheels remained in their "freight car" position. Only about 10% of the fleet had been converted, so most cars went to the scrap line with the side ladders and roofwalks in place.

References and Thanks:
A special thanks to Steve Hoxie from the Keystone Modeler (TKM) for his assistance. The two TKM issues are excellent resource material for detailing the HO R50B from Walthers, and certainly would be of use to the modeler making this kit. The Railmodel Journal (RMJ) articles are also an excellent source for painting and detailing information.

TKM #25 Aug ’05: Upgrading the Walthers R50B, A PRR Pro Project by Bruce Smith (Pg. 16)
TKM #26 Sep ’05: Updates and Errata (Pg. 10) R50B underside details (corrected image)
RMJ Apr ’03: Pennsy RR R50B Express Reefers from Walthers HO models by Richard Berg (Pg. 10)
RMJ Oct ’90: Pennsy Class R50B HO Scale Express Reefer by Bob Davis (Pg. 30)

Data compiled by Michael Livingston
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