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"New" Bachmann Centerflows
« on: May 06, 2021, 10:01:11 PM »
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I was on the fence whether to post this here, or in the Crew Lounge (since I think it's humorous), but here it goes:
I received email from Bachmann:

New in N Scale:
From gravel to grain, Bachmann's hopper cars can haul it all!


No matter what you transport, Bachmann's N scale Hopper cars are what you need to get the job done. New road names in our 4-Bay Center-Flow hoppers and Cylindrical Grain cars in vibrant paint schemes are now available! Click below to see them all.

Features include:

    Silver Series® rolling stock – fully assembled
    highly detailed painted bodies with precision graphics
    blackened, machined-metal wheels with RP25 contours
    body-mounted E-Z Mate® couplers
    non-magnetic, blackened-brass axles with needle-point bearings
    Celcon® trucks
    added weight for optimum tracking performance
    N Scale 1:160

Then came the photos. Here is a sample:











Anything there sticks out like a sore thumb (no, not the boxing-glove coupler)?  Yes, black unpainted plastic brake wheels!  What is this?  And those brake wheels are just toyish moldings - they do not represent any specific prototype. Are we going back to the '70s and '80s when this was expected in N scale?  Did they forget that we are in the 2nd decade of the 21st Century?

Plus, are these really "new"?  The end ladder details seem rather heavy, and the trucks are probably wrong too (I didn't verify - I gave up after seeing the brake wheels).

I have to admit that some other roadnames seem to have brake wheels painted to match the body, but the ones above don't.  Very strange.  Of  course at $34, these are a bargain.  :)  Maybe this should be in the Crew Lounge.
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2021, 10:29:10 PM »
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Pretty sure these are the same old tooling - modified with body mounts.

They've done this with a number of the "vintage" freight cars.  :lol:

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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2021, 10:30:33 PM »
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If these are new, they are simply crisper tooling based on their vintage 70's design. Bachmann did this with many of their older steam engines like the 0-6-0. But this tooling still looks soft so my guess is that the only tooling changes were the addition of the coupler boxes and new mounting sockets for their trucks.
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2021, 10:38:49 PM »
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Dang. Buy a sheet of plywood or one of these?  :|

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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2021, 10:39:36 PM »
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Does the CNW large logo really look like that?

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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2021, 10:44:08 PM »
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Does the CNW large logo really look like that?

You mean the prototype?
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnw/cnw490700atz.jpg


Related to the topic, it would be nice if someone made an early ACF plastics hopper up to current standards.
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2021, 10:52:55 PM »
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Where to start? 
The side’s tooling above the horizontal stiffening rib is all wrong.
Bettendorf trucks?   :facepalm:
I think I bought some of these 40 years ago for $1.50. 
Hard, hard pass.
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2021, 11:19:27 PM »
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I guess nobody so far found the unpainted black plastic brake wheel as funny as I did.  Shades of the '70s N scale.  :|
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2021, 11:34:08 PM »
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I guess nobody so far found the unpainted black plastic brake wheel as funny as I did.  Shades of the '70s N scale.  :|
It will be really funny when the parts department offers them for 50 cents each plus $8 shipping...

You really do have a point.  One of the things that distinguished low end from better quality cars 50 years ago was black brake wheel v. painted brake wheel.  But what I noticed first on these cars were the 18 scale inch deep ladder rungs.  Another prominent feature of low end 1970ish production.
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2021, 12:07:35 AM »
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Like wazzou, the first thing I noticed were the Bettendorf trucks...  :?

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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2021, 12:30:15 AM »
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Dang. Buy a sheet of plywood or one of these?  :|
Tough choice right?   :trollface: :facepalm:
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2021, 02:03:27 AM »
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40 years ago these had one advantage:  It was easy to make a 3-bay car from it.  Not accurate, dimensionally, but easy.  Just cut the floor into pieces, and throw one bay away.

Modelers did the same thing with the Athearn HO model, as there were no 3-bay CFs there, either.

Also, for all of their obvious flaws, they did better than Atlas on end details.  These have the solid floor and slope sheet braces, Atlas doesn't.
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2021, 03:56:01 AM »
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Why is anyone surprised? SOP for Bachmann, but you will find them at a massive discount off that $34 retail price when they don't sell.

Amazing how a company that can make those K4 Pacifics can also turn out this crapola.
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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2021, 04:31:02 AM »
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But are those Bettendorf trucks all new tooling?   :D

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Re: "New" Bachmann Centerflows
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2021, 08:56:50 AM »
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Did this last night before many of the other replies and then forgot to hit send.  Not sure anyone cares but here are the "Bingo's" or close-to-bingo's for  the respective cars.

I don't know what possible market Bachmann is shooting for with an uber expensive, uber-cheaply-built model.   Anyone that "doesn't care" probably also isn't willing to pay whatever this thing would normally street at .....$20? $25?   

CNW
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3971138

CSX
???

GN
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3158342

ACFX
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1411005

ATSF (Bachmann Scheme)
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3197558

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ATSF (Post Conditionaire Scheme, Modified to 3-bay Grain Hauler)
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1628794

So this last photo is the definite "silver lining" in the potentially wasted 15 minutes of my life.   Looks like ATSF "re-conditionaired"  :trollface: their cars into a grain-hauling three-bay variety and a more typical paint scheme.   So, something to consider if anyone is looking for a project for the older cars or when these go into the clearance bin.
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