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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2021, 07:44:11 PM »
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Oops. Should have mentioned I do, too. Electroliner is one of my favorites.  :)

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2021, 02:59:53 PM »
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There decals are not for the faint of heart !! They do however fit perfectly. They are available from @Teditor here on the forum. There are alot of decals ! [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2021, 12:30:36 PM »
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Great thread! By profession, I'm kinda partial to PCC's. Someday I hope to take these Bachmann units and get them closer to the real ones:



















I doubt I will add the front trolley pole though.
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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2021, 01:54:27 PM »
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I'm a big fan of Japanese chassis by Kato, Tomytec, and find myself looking at Bandai and Green Max despite some bad stuff years ago.

The ability to take these inexpensive drive parts and make them into something else (including freight motors) has one big drawback- most of them are incredibly fast.   So if you can live with one-truck drive and a gearhead, pretty much the sky is the limit.

Randy Stahl challenged me to power his North Shore Electric 756 battery electric, and when we make some modifications on the Shapeways print, another steeplecab that's even smaller.   So this is a Tomytec truck, universals, Shapeways body and truck sideframes, my cast resin adapter frame, Atlas pickup strips, a 100-ohm resistor and a Solarbotics 25:1 gearhead (GM15A).   It really runs well, particularly good on slow speed and steady torque issues now.





I'm selling the frame adapter and weight set, the body and trucks are already on Shapeways.  I haven't written a formal instruction set yet until I see, frankly, if anybody else except Randy and I wanted to take a shot at this.   They are certainly repeatable enough for me to offer custom builds as long as the Shapeways designer holds up.    I did a similar thing with GE 25-tonners and did a handful.

Here's the Shapeways link as their search feature is beyond hope:  https://www.shapeways.com/product/QFKWTQAKF/cnsm-battery-loco-455-456?optionId=14304668&li=shops

Yes, I've beaten the mechanism.   Period.

The smaller North Shore steeplecab will be done pretty much the same way.   I had to have the designer widen the nose by 1mm to be able to clear the Tomytec truck tower diameter inside, but that's the only concession.

When you're working with one-truckers that have to actually pull something (like a freight motor) you want to load as much weight as humanly possible over the power truck, and just put enough weight over the unpowered truck to get consistent electrical pickup.   It's never as good as 8x8, but having run the tiny Bandais that are 8x8, I prefer a gearhead with controllable speed over a rocket sled 8x8.

I've done Tomytec drives on my powered boxcar frame, my Whitcomb centercab kit, done a Bachmann doodlebug conversion and a Bachmann metroliner (both of those 8x8) and now this one.   Until shipping prices went nuts out of Japan, these were as go-to as the Kato chassis.  This one, at least, uses the 'R" version trucks with the low centered gear tower - the original drives with the end gear tower won't work.

The reason almost ALL of these work is simple, you don't have to struggle with a cast-metal split-frame chassis.  Frames are plastic, so you can cut, splice, file, whack or completely replace them with something else.   Yet you still can have 8x8 end axle pickup and equalization through pickup wipers.   And, Tomytec has removable sideframes so you can put anything you want on there with a little Goo.
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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2021, 02:27:32 PM »
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I just bought a pair of Tomytec TM22  and a TR01...I also need a TM04....

I am going to get my Big 10, Hollywood Car and 500 running....

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2021, 08:19:14 PM »
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Speaking of Tomy, what ever happened to the Tomy PCCs that were debuted at the Louisville NMRA Convention National Train Show?   They were really nice.   It would be a shame if the lack of N Scale savy of one importer squashed the project!   
They were very good looking cars!
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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2021, 09:52:50 PM »
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Speaking of Tomy, what ever happened to the Tomy PCCs that were debuted at the Louisville NMRA Convention National Train Show?   They were really nice.   It would be a shame if the lack of N Scale savy of one importer squashed the project!   
They were very good looking cars!
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never heard of them

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2021, 02:10:11 PM »
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SO far so good. Next I think is window glazing.

I want the pickup truck !!!
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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2021, 02:12:58 PM »
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I'm a big fan of Japanese chassis by Kato, Tomytec, and find myself looking at Bandai and Green Max despite some bad stuff years ago.

The ability to take these inexpensive drive parts and make them into something else (including freight motors) has one big drawback- most of them are incredibly fast.   So if you can live with one-truck drive and a gearhead, pretty much the sky is the limit.

Randy Stahl challenged me to power his North Shore Electric 756 battery electric, and when we make some modifications on the Shapeways print, another steeplecab that's even smaller.   So this is a Tomytec truck, universals, Shapeways body and truck sideframes, my cast resin adapter frame, Atlas pickup strips, a 100-ohm resistor and a Solarbotics 25:1 gearhead (GM15A).   It really runs well, particularly good on slow speed and steady torque issues now.





I'm selling the frame adapter and weight set, the body and trucks are already on Shapeways.  I haven't written a formal instruction set yet until I see, frankly, if anybody else except Randy and I wanted to take a shot at this.   They are certainly repeatable enough for me to offer custom builds as long as the Shapeways designer holds up.    I did a similar thing with GE 25-tonners and did a handful.

Here's the Shapeways link as their search feature is beyond hope:  https://www.shapeways.com/product/QFKWTQAKF/cnsm-battery-loco-455-456?optionId=14304668&li=shops

Yes, I've beaten the mechanism.   Period.

The smaller North Shore steeplecab will be done pretty much the same way.   I had to have the designer widen the nose by 1mm to be able to clear the Tomytec truck tower diameter inside, but that's the only concession.

When you're working with one-truckers that have to actually pull something (like a freight motor) you want to load as much weight as humanly possible over the power truck, and just put enough weight over the unpowered truck to get consistent electrical pickup.   It's never as good as 8x8, but having run the tiny Bandais that are 8x8, I prefer a gearhead with controllable speed over a rocket sled 8x8.

I've done Tomytec drives on my powered boxcar frame, my Whitcomb centercab kit, done a Bachmann doodlebug conversion and a Bachmann metroliner (both of those 8x8) and now this one.   Until shipping prices went nuts out of Japan, these were as go-to as the Kato chassis.  This one, at least, uses the 'R" version trucks with the low centered gear tower - the original drives with the end gear tower won't work.

The reason almost ALL of these work is simple, you don't have to struggle with a cast-metal split-frame chassis.  Frames are plastic, so you can cut, splice, file, whack or completely replace them with something else.   Yet you still can have 8x8 end axle pickup and equalization through pickup wipers.   And, Tomytec has removable sideframes so you can put anything you want on there with a little Goo.

Now I have a lot of work to do, I've been running my new machine and working on installing handrails. In addition I have Randy's kit to build and install on another motor.

This is a great time to be in N Scale !!

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2021, 02:14:37 PM »
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Great thread! By profession, I'm kinda partial to PCC's. Someday I hope to take these Bachmann units and get them closer to the real ones:



















I doubt I will add the front trolley pole though.

Sadly I have no PCC cars at this time. I am seriously considering getting some pre war cars as a nice DC car is available. Come to think of it , I don't really have any streetcars...

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2021, 02:40:45 PM »
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never heard of them
Tomy had a largesh urban layout at the Louisville NMRA National Train Show.  At that point in time Walters was going to bring in the Tomy track line and presumably thE PCC was going to be part of that.   They had a bunch of pre-production units running and they were much better looking (not overly wide) and were of a non-standee window car.   I wish it was available!
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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2021, 03:56:52 PM »
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Speaking of Tomy, what ever happened to the Tomy PCCs that were debuted at the Louisville NMRA Convention National Train Show?   They were really nice.
Charlie Vlk

I vaguely remember this, sure hope somebody picks up this tooling before it ends up in the dumpster!

PCC's are just cool.  8)

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2021, 04:37:49 PM »
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Here are model PCC shells that are much more to scale and proportionally correct than the Bachmanns:
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/ghbinternational?section=N+Scale&s=0

(I have no affiliation with this source.)

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2021, 02:15:49 PM »
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For those Shapeway and other shells designed to fit on a Bachmann Brill chassis, there is a niffy workaround with this very simple and easy to print adapter off Thingiverse:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3505538

to use the quite nice Kato 11-105 chassis. 

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Re: Interurbans are trains too
« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2021, 03:18:16 PM »
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For those Shapeway and other shells designed to fit on a Bachmann Brill chassis, there is a niffy workaround with this very simple and easy to print adapter off Thingiverse:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3505538

to use the quite nice Kato 11-105 chassis. 

Bob



There is one problem - the distance between truck centers on the Kato chassis is too short