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chuck geiger

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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2020, 04:03:14 PM »
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I think in general N scale just lacks a good universal utility pole product.
For a lot of the alternatives I always just found that in the time it took me to assemble many of the 3d printed and woodcut kits I could have finished a bashed Atlas pole for half the price.

New WS poles https://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/show/item/US2251
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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM »
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If you look through the thread I pointed to, the cross-arms are separate items (not printed with the pole). Maybe Mark or Rod would be open to creating a style of cross-arms appropriate for your needs.  This design doesn't look like it took a lot of time to create.

Thanks Pete. I have an N&WHS article on the poles somewhere - gotta dig it up sometime. I'm not gonna build another layout until the next house - so I have time to get the ducks lined up. :facepalm:


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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2020, 01:29:14 PM »
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OK back from Hobby Lobby with supplies in Flagstaff. Found smaller beads and they work and Evergreen styrene.
They look really translucent, jade green and they are silver-lined so they sparkle in the light.




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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2020, 01:44:08 PM »
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OK back from Hobby Lobby with supplies in Flagstaff. Found smaller beads and they work and Evergreen styrene. ...

Your Hobby Lobby stocks Evergreen? If so, then I'm jealous - the ones here don't.  :(
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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2020, 03:05:19 PM »
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Yeah I was blown away....

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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2020, 10:17:03 PM »
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If they are the right diameter, bamboo (or other wooden) skewers are much stiffer/sturdier than styrene rod.
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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2020, 08:18:50 AM »
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If they are the right diameter, bamboo (or other wooden) skewers are much stiffer/sturdier than styrene rod.

And they already look more like rough- hewn wooded tree trunks than styrene rods.

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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2020, 01:35:31 PM »
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If they are the right diameter, bamboo (or other wooden) skewers are much stiffer/sturdier than styrene rod.

I use the wood dowels, small styrene strips for cross arms and braces.




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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2020, 03:36:27 PM »
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This is the beta test. Not bad, need to work on cross braces.




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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2020, 07:49:55 PM »
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Much better, Chuck, the pole looks good. The trees look scary though... :D
One suggestion: the pole top should be cut at a slight angle, or better yet, two angles to form a “roof” to facilitate run-off.
(Sez a guy with Bachmann plastic poles on his own layout)
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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2020, 12:20:26 PM »
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I have tried small craft beads and they are still to big. Any ideas of something I am over looking?

Over the years, I've tried several different techniques for representing glass utility pole insulators...none of which I found to be ideal...including antique glass beads, brass posts with blobs of clear acrylic gel applied, or just plain painting (applying silver first, then an overcoat of clear green/blue). 

Actual measurements on the blue/green glass insulators on U.P. mainline utility (or "telephone" as the U.P. calls them) poles are roughly 3.75" in maximum diameter, "tapering" to about 2.60" at the top, being 4" tall.  That translates into a glass bead that would be .023" in diameter (representing the large, base diameter of the insulator), and .025" tall.  Finding antique glass beads that actually look like insulators is impossible, since they do not exist.  So, "representing" these small objects in N-scale is the best we can hope for.

Yours, Chuck @chuck geiger , are about the best I've seen, although obviously much too large.

With the advent of 3D printing for the home hobbyist, printing cross-arms with insulators on them has become possible as has been posted here.  However, just guessing at the dimensions of both the crossarms and the insulators is not going to result in the optimal prototype look, with obvious concessions to strength and the limits of what present-day 3D printers can produce.

Years ago, I saw the handwriting on the wall, and did a 3D model of typical U.P. telephone pole crossarms with a typical pattern of insulators attached to the tops, along with hardware on the fronts, backs and bottoms of the crossarms representing prototype square washers and bolt heads found on prototype examples I have documented over the years.  Also, the cross-arm length and other dimensions are accurate and derived from fallen poles that sometimes happen alongside the U.P. mainline trackage in Weber and Echo Canyons between Ogden UT and Evanston WY.

Photo (1) - My 3D model of U.P. Telephone Pole Crossarms in N-scale for 3D Printing in Translucent Green and/or Clear:


Now that I've finally got my 3D printer and am learning to properly use it, the next project to complete is the introduction of these crossarms, along with other trackside telephone pole details, for sale...including etched NS brace details and wooden poles for these to mount on.

The one concession to N-scale for these is the diameter of the "mounting pegs" between the wooden crossarms and the glass insulators, which on the prototype were originally wooden pegs, and later, steel pegs that the insulators are screwed on to.  I've designed mine to allow for stringing appropriate elastic thread if desired so the insulators won't break off.

I'm shooting for introducing these sometime around the end of January, but I may have samples by the middle of December, after experimenting with several clear and green translucent resins to find the most durable, non-brittle resin for these fine parts and completing negotiations with an etching service.

When the organization of my company and the product line is complete, I'll be informing TRW formally, but as of now, I am still learning and devoting the vast majority of my time in doing it...hence, I have not been as present at TRW as I have been in the past.

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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2020, 07:30:35 AM »
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Is this STL file still floating around? I have a scene that's begging for this kind of detail!

Thanks!

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Re: What to use for phone pole insulators?
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2020, 10:48:03 PM »
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I have these up on Tinker cad if you want to play with them. I tried to make them scale and the prints were failing too often. I fattened them up a bit to make them more durable. They have a notch built in to them so they self align to the pole. My intention was to use bamboo rod if I could find it the right size. Print them in Anycubic clear green to get the effect.



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